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re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:51 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:51 am to ShortyRob
Now, imagine that there are only 6 grocery store companies that each have their own territory and refuse to intrude on each other's space. Rouses owns ALL grocery stores and even food stands in the gulf south, publix owns the Atlantic Coast, Wal-Mart has the Midwest, etc. No matter what the chicken or the zucchini costs, you don't have a choice who you buy it from. They get their cut either way. Now, imagine they don't want you to buy zuchini. They don't have to carry zuchini in their stores. Sure, there might be thousands of different fruits and vegetable products that you want, but those grocery stores decide that the only products in their stores are chicken. You can't buy anywhere else. Guess what, you're stuck with f&%King chicken no matter how much it costs.
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:51 am to Breesus
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Do you think the free market is currently fricking Comcast in the arse?
the free market isnt working on comcast....they have a government granted monopoly.
your solution is to give them government cover for their monopoly.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:51 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Go ahead.
Tell me zucchini doesn't compete with chicken.
Do it.
I need to laugh some more.
Explain to me how your chicken and zucchini analogy relates to deregulation of ISPs and the end of net neutrality. Specifically.
I'll wait.
Or are you just going to type some snark remark instead of having and actual conversation. This will be the third one of your analogies I've asked you to expound on.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:52 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Go ahead. Tell me zucchini doesn't compete with chicken. Do it.
Lol this thread is dumb
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:52 am to CptBengal
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the free market isnt working on comcast....they have a government granted monopoly.
correct
quote:
your solution is to give them government cover for their monopoly.
No, that's what REMOVING NN does! Without NN, they don't have to carry the content of their competitors!
It would be akin to Amazon buying UPS, the USPS, and DHL and then deciding that the only mail that gets delivered is packages purchased on Amazon. Wal-mart would need to create their own infrastructure to deliver packages or pay Amazon to go through them.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:52 am to kingbob
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You can't buy anywhere else.
why not?
I most certainly can buy elsewhere.
I cant buy elsewhere when government regulations PREVENT me from doing so (cough: insurance; cough: utility regulation)
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:53 am to kingbob
quote:Do they have an army?
Now, imagine that there are only 6 grocery store companies that each have their own territory and refuse to intrude on each other's space. Rouses owns ALL grocery stores and even food stands in the gulf south, publix owns the Atlantic Coast, Wal-Mart has the Midwest, etc. No matter what the chicken or the zucchini costs, you don't have a choice who you buy it from.
Are they able to prevent anyone from bringing in stuff to sell?
I get that you guys can concoct some pretty fun what if's.
But, economics works always.
If there's a shite ton of money to be made, people who like making a shite ton of money will show up.
And they'll do it REGARDLESS of the barriers.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:53 am to kingbob
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No, that's what REMOVING NN does! Without NN, they don't have to carry the content of their competitors!
and if they dont, the market will allow for entry of those that do.
the answer is never more government. never.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:53 am to Breesus
quote:
Do you think the free market is currently fricking Comcast in the arse?
Government granted monopolies are not part of any free market.
The common sense approach is to increase competition.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:54 am to CptBengal
quote:
the free market isnt working on comcast....they have a government granted monopoly.
Yes. I'm aware. Which is all the more reason to protect the underlying market foundation they have monopoly control over the entrance to.
quote:
your solution is to give them government cover for their monopoly.
Explain to me how ensuring all internet traffic by any ISP is treated the same gives Comcast governmental protection for their monopoly.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:54 am to CptBengal
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and if they dont, the market will allow for entry of those that do
Except it won't, because they have government-granted regional monopolies on the infrastructure.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:55 am to Breesus
quote:It's an example of how competition doesn't require replacement ability. It was a response to a post. Try and keep up.
Explain to me how your chicken and zucchini analogy relates to deregulation of ISPs and the end of net neutrality. Specifically.
quote:Are you reading your own posts dude?
Or are you just going to type some snark remark instead of having and actual conversation
You started out by saying I'm not real and don't really think what I'm posting. Then, you shifted to I'm just trolling.
Meanwhile, I've been 100% consistent. You don't agree with me, but let's not make it more than what it is. You just don't agree.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:NN guarantees the ishtty companies you have now... you will be stuck with forever.
NN does nothing about this. Instead of increasing choice, it just formally establishes these "monopolies."
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:55 am to CptBengal
quote:
why not?
I most certainly can buy elsewhere.
Not if there are only two grocery stores who also own the only farmland.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:56 am to CptBengal
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why not?
I most certainly can buy elsewhere.
Because the internet is NOT the chicken. The internet is NOT the zuchini. The internet IS THE MARKET ITSELF!
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:56 am to Breesus
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es. I'm aware. Which is all the more reason to protect the underlying market foundation they have monopoly control over the entrance to.
1: theres a government monopoly in a market
2: we need to regulate the monopoly to protect the market!
3....why not just remove the monopoly.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:57 am to Breesus
quote:Explain to me why this is even important.
Explain to me how ensuring all internet traffic by any ISP
Because you guys like to run around declaring that it's all important........but, that's all you do. Declare it.
"IT'S THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED!!!!!"
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:57 am to Taxing Authority
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NN guarantees the ishtty companies you have now... you will be stuck with forever.
Truth
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:57 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
NN guarantees the ishtty companies you have now... you will be stuck with forever.
How. How specifically does NN do this?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:58 am to kingbob
quote:
Now, imagine that there are only 6 grocery store companies that each have their own territory and refuse to intrude on each other's space. Rouses owns ALL grocery stores and even food stands in the gulf south, publix owns the Atlantic Coast, Wal-Mart has the Midwest, etc. No matter what the chicken or the zucchini costs, you don't have a choice who you buy it from.
Pretty much how things are. Why not regulate grocery stores? 
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