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re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:43 am to bmy
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:43 am to bmy
quote:It is truly astonishing how you can't comprehend that the above is a GOVERNMENT created problem.
It was a nice run though. Their system of government was ill-equipped to deal with the influence of corporations and banks.
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:44 am to ShortyRob
This one just bears repeating.
Ladies and gentlemen of the thread.
I want you all to know that I 100% agree with the above statement. It is an absolutely true statement.
Which is why I oppose it.
quote:
If you like the internet as it is, you like net neutrality.
Ladies and gentlemen of the thread.
I want you all to know that I 100% agree with the above statement. It is an absolutely true statement.
Which is why I oppose it.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:44 am to Breesus
quote:
And it has to remain open and free.
Perfect, I'm all for this. Under Title II, nothing is "free"
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:45 am to kingbob
quote:
Yes, but until the lack of competition can be remedied, NN is needed. WIthout NN AND competition, those ISP's get to ensure there never will be any competition
This word.........you misuse it
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
THis just isn't true.
How is it not true?
50% of Americans have only one broadband provider in their area.
40% only have 2.
Some of the largest broadband providers are also wireless providers.
Something like 90% of all internet access is facilitated by less than a half dozen corporations (AT&T, Comcast, Cox, Verizon, Sprint, Time Warner)
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:48 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
It’s too easy to manipulate main stream opinions in the current environment. Government is worried about a bad actor gaining favorability through the Internet. (Think ads, hacking, Russian arguments real or not).
Wrong person gaining favorability, winning the Presidency and having their finger on the nuke button. Still 10-15 years away but that’s the argument.
The people in government arent worried about a bad actor gaining favorability. They're worried about the free and open exchange of ideas supplanting their stranglehold over governmental power. The establishment politicians in DC and the RNC and DNC are terrified that the internet may reduce the need for a rigid 2 political party system which they have absolute control over.
What if instead of party ticket voting, our Congress was made up of different people with different opinions who accurately reflect the beliefs of their electorate instead of serving their national party and their lobbyists? You know., the way our government was intended to be run. Political office is a civil duty not a career path and it should be carried out by people of numerous different opinions and backgrounds and belief, not a set of lawyers and political family members who align with one of two ideologies.
Its not that i am for "governmental control" of the internet, its that i believe no one should control the internet. It should be free and open. One of the actual legitimate powers i believe rests with a government is to protect its citizens from something which they cannot protect themselves.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:49 am to kingbob
quote:
50% of Americans have only one broadband provider in their area.
How do most Americans access the internet today?
If one were to look at the web clicks for any website, what would the source of the majority of those clicks?
quote:
Something like 90% of all internet access is facilitated by less than a half dozen corporations (AT&T, Comcast, Cox, Verizon, Sprint, Time Warner)
Oh fun.
Do this for other products!!!! Start with smart phones!
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:50 am to Breesus
quote:While I agree with you on this one...........the reason for this not happening ain't in DC.
What if instead of party ticket voting, our Congress was made up of different people with different opinions who accurately reflect the beliefs of their electorate instead of serving their national party and their lobbyists?
It's in everyone's bathroom mirror.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:51 am to ShortyRob
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Do this for other products!!!! Start with smart phones!
The difference is that those 6 companies have geographic monopolies. There are not Samsung cities and LG cities. The competing products are available in all markets. What we have with ISP's is something more akin to the railroads where a single company services a large swath of territory with almost zero intrusion from other competing lines.
Why should broadband internet be regulated differently than landline telephone?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:55 am to kingbob
quote:Indee! Their captive market isn’t limited to cities. It’s nation (and in some cases) world wide! So let’s apply the same idea. You pay $1,000 and get as many iPhones as you want because Apple has a dominant market position. Seems fair, right?
The difference is that those 6 companies have geographic monopolies. There are not Samsung cities and LG cities.
We must get as well do he same with cars too. There only what..... a dozen auto manufacturers for the entire country?
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 10:56 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:55 am to kingbob
quote:
The difference is that those 6 companies have geographic monopolies. There are not Samsung cities and LG cities. The competing products are available in all markets. What we have with ISP's is something more akin to the railroads where a single company services a large swath of territory with almost zero intrusion from other competing lines.
Today
quote:Funny you should ask this one.
Why should broadband internet be regulated differently than landline telephone?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:56 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Do this for other products!!!! Start with smart phones!
Smart phones and mobile companies are a product/market where great competition exists because of an open and free underlying principle in the phone system. you're proving our point.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:56 am to Taxing Authority
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Indee! Their captive market isn’t limited to cities. It’s nation (and in some cases) world wide! So let’s apply the same idea. You pay $1,000 and get as many iPhones as you want because Apple has a dominant market position. Seems fair, right?
We must get as well do he same with cars too. There only what..... a dozen auto manufacturers for the entire country?
Welcome TA
Nothing's changed.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:57 am to Taxing Authority
More like there is no price you can pay to get a Samsung phone because Apple controls the door to the market. You cannot even load a webpage where the competing product can be purchased. Adds for competing products never load, so you never see it. If you cannot see, hear, purchase, or use a competing product, does it exist?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:57 am to Breesus
quote:
Smart phones and mobile companies are a product/market where great competition exists because of an open and free underlying principle in the phone system. you're proving our point.
LOL. No.
He seemed to think the fact those companies controlled 90% plus of the market was compelling information.
Alas.........it wasn't.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:57 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Indee! Their captive market isn’t limited to cities. It’s nation (and in some cases) world wide! So let’s apply the same idea. You pay $1,000 and get as many iPhones as you want because Apple has a dominant market position. Seems fair, right?
We must get as well do he same with cars too. There only what..... a dozen auto manufacturers for the entire country?
Did you just have a stroke?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 10:58 am to Breesus
quote:If he did.......and forgot half the market and economics knowledge he'd ever acquired...........he'd still be miles ahead of 90% of this board
Did you just have a stroke?
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:00 am to ShortyRob
It's funny.
I fully expect the liberal arguments.
They're really just saying the same shite they said about Walmart at some point in the past..........Amazon.........and a hundred other "gee govt, save us" times.
But the "conservatives" in here?
SMDH
I fully expect the liberal arguments.
They're really just saying the same shite they said about Walmart at some point in the past..........Amazon.........and a hundred other "gee govt, save us" times.
But the "conservatives" in here?
SMDH
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:01 am to ShortyRob
quote:
LOL. No.
lol yes. When i dial a phone number, no matter what device on which company i dial from and no matter what device on which company i am dialing, the call is connected. Verizon doesn't get to dictate which phone numbers i can and can't call. And even this is a touchy analogy, because there is legitimate competition in the mobile provider world. This competition literally, factually, and inarguabley does not exist in the high speed ISP world.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 11:01 am to bmy
quote:Correct and I didn't say otherwise. I stated a principle that more regulation means less freedom. That's a fact.
The government regulating a corporation and making it illegal for them to dump chemicals or other harmful wastes in a manner that could cause harm to the public in no way infringes on your freedom..
Also, big difference between dumping chemicals that can actually harm the public and providing internet access
quote:The 2010 ruling stated that the FCC cannot enforce net neutrality when congress hasn't given it that authority. The FCC was claiming that they had the authority to regulate because what they were regulating was related to what they've been told by congress that they can regulate. The court disagreed that "ancillary jurisdiction" was valid in this case.
And the enforcement you talked about was effective until a judge ruled in favor of ISPs in that the enforcement agency did not have the authority/jurisdiction to enforce any longer.
Other regulations, such as those imposed by the FTC, have been in place for years and were regulating business practices of ISPs as they related to unfair business practices.
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