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Sinn Fein, the old IRA-linked left wing political party, just won big in Irish election
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:13 pm
Happened yesterday, but thought it was worth mentioning.
This is largely considered the nationalist party of Ireland. It's also the former political party wing of the f-ing IRA.
How it even stayed afloat after "The Troubles" is insane, but apparently it gained the largest percentage of votes in Ireland's latest parliamentary election... Something like 28% I think.
Sinn Fein is known as a very left wing party. They will seemingly look to form a coalition with Labour and other lefties.
I have lots of Irish blood in me, but I just never understood Irish politics. They seem very aggressively Socialist but also don't like the government telling them what to do and are somewhat of a tax haven... It's a very odd mix.
They also may have an I triguing relationship with the newly liberated UK. Ireland is hardcore EU I believe.
This is a pretty big upset of the establishment.
This is largely considered the nationalist party of Ireland. It's also the former political party wing of the f-ing IRA.
How it even stayed afloat after "The Troubles" is insane, but apparently it gained the largest percentage of votes in Ireland's latest parliamentary election... Something like 28% I think.
Sinn Fein is known as a very left wing party. They will seemingly look to form a coalition with Labour and other lefties.
I have lots of Irish blood in me, but I just never understood Irish politics. They seem very aggressively Socialist but also don't like the government telling them what to do and are somewhat of a tax haven... It's a very odd mix.
They also may have an I triguing relationship with the newly liberated UK. Ireland is hardcore EU I believe.
This is a pretty big upset of the establishment.
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IRELAND’S PRIME MINISTER, Leo Varadkar, looks all but certain to lose his job. The left-wing Sinn Fein, the former political wing of the Irish Republican Army (IRA), rode a wave of anti-austerity sentiment to win the most votes in a general election on February 8th.
Sinn Fein’s victory ends a century of electoral dominance for Fianna Fail and Mr Varadkar’s Fine Gael, two centre-right rivals that have enjoyed a duopoly since the Irish state was founded in 1922. Born out of a civil war between rival factions in the original IRA—Fine Gael’s founders reluctantly accepted the temporary partition of Ireland as the price of peace with Britain after the war of independence, while Fianna Fail’s founders insisted on a united Ireland—the two parties have these days few if any ideological differences. Their electoral dominance reflected a deeply conservative electorate wary of change. In 1982 they had a combined 84% of the vote. On February 8th, they managed only 43%.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 10:15 pm
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Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:15 pm to Jack Ruby
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:17 pm to Jack Ruby
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They seem very aggressively Socialist but also don't like the government telling them what to do and are somewhat of a tax haven... It's a very odd mix.
Its called having your cake and eating it too and it doesnt work
You can have freedom or you can have a nanny state but you cant have both
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:18 pm to Jack Ruby
they could blow up an English pub to celebrate
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:18 pm to Jack Ruby
They won’t be able to form a government I heard. I don’t get that. How a majority party can’t form a government, you’d think they’d be able to cut deals. I guess not enough votes in parliament and bombing people are still frowned on.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:19 pm to Jack Ruby
quote:Divil a man can say a word agin me
I have lots of Irish blood in me
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:20 pm to Jack Ruby
I've never understood Irish politics and I am 100% Scots Irish, Ulster Irish and Black Scot.
As my daughters like to say, "we're whiter than white" especially after they got their DNA results that I bought for them for Christmas because they didn't believe our old family tree stuff.
What the Irish side of my family always says is that Irish politics are whatever the opposite of British politics are are the time. You're right, the island has been pro EU since Brexit started but that may be changing. In the meantime the Scots are wanting to do their own thing as well and now rumblings are starting among the Welsh thanks to Harry and his hooer American concubine.
As my daughters like to say, "we're whiter than white" especially after they got their DNA results that I bought for them for Christmas because they didn't believe our old family tree stuff.
What the Irish side of my family always says is that Irish politics are whatever the opposite of British politics are are the time. You're right, the island has been pro EU since Brexit started but that may be changing. In the meantime the Scots are wanting to do their own thing as well and now rumblings are starting among the Welsh thanks to Harry and his hooer American concubine.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:21 pm to Jack Ruby
their recent rise has everything to do with Brexit and N. Ireland.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:22 pm to Cosmo
And from the article, like many euro nanny states that go broke or begin having financial troublea (apparently Ireland is still somewhat affected by the 2008 recession), when the government tries austerity to reel in some of the costs, the fricking idiots throw protest fits anf vote in tbe bigger idiots who say they will keep giving everyone free shite.
It's just mind-boggling how this continually happens in Europe. I rmemeber the Greeks going batshit crazy when the government tried to cut all their exorbitant pension and vacation plans. They were literally a failing economic state, yet the idiots still wanted their welfare.
It's just mind-boggling how this continually happens in Europe. I rmemeber the Greeks going batshit crazy when the government tried to cut all their exorbitant pension and vacation plans. They were literally a failing economic state, yet the idiots still wanted their welfare.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:24 pm to Jack Ruby
You're trying to superimpose American political ideology which is a different animal. "Liberal" in just about any country in Europe is a pro-business, but high social-net construct.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:25 pm to Jack Ruby
Come Out Ye Black and Tans!
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:31 pm to Rebel
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their recent rise has everything to do with Brexit and N. Ireland.
So what do the Irish want exactly in this situation. I've got to belive Britain is their largest trading partner by far and maybe wouldn't want to start a trade war with them, but I don't know that much about Irish-UK policies.
I would also imagine UK will strike a pretty good deal with Ireland, so why would the people want what seems to be a very pro EU faction in charge. Wouldn't that seemingly cause a bit of a rift in relations?
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:36 pm to Jack Ruby
I'll go home and call the TV stations. Give them what they want. Let them take their cameras into my daughter's hospital room - put it on the evening news. I don't give a shite whether you did it or not, and neither will anyone else. But I will put such a strangle hold on your gun money that you'll be out in the street throwing rocks! I will fricking destroy you. I will make it my mission in life.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:37 pm to Jack Ruby
I think the strong anti-English sentiment in Ireland has driven them left wing, since England has always been a relatively conservative country.
The Brexit fallout has rekindled alot of it of course. It's bizarre for the island of Ireland to be split like it is, has been more trouble than it's worth.
The Brexit fallout has rekindled alot of it of course. It's bizarre for the island of Ireland to be split like it is, has been more trouble than it's worth.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:39 pm to PEPE
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It's bizarre for the island of Ireland to be split like it is, has been more trouble than it's worth.
True, but remember the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland get along about as well at the Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:41 pm to scrooster
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What the Irish side of my family always says is that Irish politics are whatever the opposite of British politics are are the time. You're right, the island has been pro EU since Brexit started but that may be changing. In the meantime the Scots are wanting to do their own thing as well and now rumblings are starting among the Welsh thanks to Harry and his hooer American concubine.
+1 for working "concubine" into this convo
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:43 pm to Jack Ruby
To be fair, a lot of people talk the talk until they have to walk the walk.
Government spending in those countries creates a terrible feedback loop. The big government folks are probably correct that austerity leads them further down the drain a little faster than not doing it, because the economy is so dependent on government spending.
Of course, those of us against such government largesse believe this will clean the slate faster, but when you're the one who has choose to take your own medicine and maybe watch your family suffer through it, I can imagine it's hard to keep the faith it will work out.
Government spending in those countries creates a terrible feedback loop. The big government folks are probably correct that austerity leads them further down the drain a little faster than not doing it, because the economy is so dependent on government spending.
Of course, those of us against such government largesse believe this will clean the slate faster, but when you're the one who has choose to take your own medicine and maybe watch your family suffer through it, I can imagine it's hard to keep the faith it will work out.
This post was edited on 2/10/20 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:49 pm to Jack Ruby
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I have lots of Irish blood in me, but I just never understood Irish politics. They seem very aggressively Socialist but also don't like the government telling them what to do and are somewhat of a tax haven... It's a very odd mix.
This right here.
My father is Irish by birth (American by choice and the grace of God), and I’ve spent a lot of time in Ireland.
Ireland, like the Philippines, has an overwhelmingly Catholic, very conservative majority of people who for reasons unbeknownst to me continue electing leftist socialists, and have for as long as I’ve paid attention.
The only explanation I can come up with is that the citizens of those countries seem to have much more trust with regard to mass media. The innate skepticism present in so many Americans seems to be lacking in the aforementioned places.
It really makes me appreciate someone like Rush, who said the opposite of everything I’d heard on TV and read in the newspapers (regarding opinion pieces and translation of facts with news — I was a news junkie by age 6). How many Americans have a better understanding of mass media and it’s primary purpose being the advancing of agendas and political narratives as opposed to news thanks to Rush?
I like to think I’d have figured it out regardless, but he’s a large part of the reason I was more astute than most democrat elected officials by the time I was 12.
I have wondered what the political makeup of those countries would be if they had true freedom of expression and someone like Rush to point out all the bullshite imposed on everyone as news.
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:57 pm to Philippines4LSU
Europe I think secretly hates freedom of expression. Must be the old royal system still hanging around in them or something, but for America to have such a vibrant anti establishment media Kal though much smaller, Rush, Hannity, Levin, Tucker, and many more are well known well listened and watched figures.
I think the old BBC model kind of forms lots of thought in those places. It's as if PBS were ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox all rolled into one and you had to pay for it. In saying all that, it shows just how pissed the Brits were when they voted for Brexit. The mainstream media there didn't work and guys like Farage finally broke through.
And none of it would have ever hwppened had the EU not forced hoards of terrorists onto them without recourse.
I think the old BBC model kind of forms lots of thought in those places. It's as if PBS were ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox all rolled into one and you had to pay for it. In saying all that, it shows just how pissed the Brits were when they voted for Brexit. The mainstream media there didn't work and guys like Farage finally broke through.
And none of it would have ever hwppened had the EU not forced hoards of terrorists onto them without recourse.
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