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re: Simple solution to judicial overreach and nationwide injunctions
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:19 am to VOR
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:19 am to VOR
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Are we going to amend Arts. II and III
of the Constitution? They’ll be quick and easy.??
I have already explained an amendment is not necessary. Try to keep up.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:20 am to DByrd2
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You claimed as a fact (inferred by your arrangement of words) t
"Inferred"

I said my fear was they wouldn't form it properly by being too aggressive and not following the normative protocols/procedures. It's tied up in court now due to this.
Had they followed the normative process, these attacks would be without much threat. As I said
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I want the replacement to withstand legal challenges by following the proper protocols in formation and administration, so that we don't end up exactly where we're at today. I said this months ago specifically about DOGE.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're just defaulting to fatalism about the response.
You're shite at mind-reading, just like everybody else who tries to do it. Another logical fallacy, BTW. A combination of appeal to ridicule and genetic fallacy.
Recognizing that the left was going to use liberal politicians wearing robes no matter how or why DOGE exposes corruption is just living in the real world, not "fatalism".
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:21 am to lake chuck fan
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Isn't there a petition or some means available to request SCOTUS hear cases quickly? Like they did with Trump's case?
There is. The Supreme Court has what’s called a shadow docket. These are cases where plaintiffs request an expedited review. However, they are rarely granted.
As I recall it, you must request the emergency relief and the justice assigned to that request is the "Circuit Justice" of the Circuit Court of Appeals for that circuit. Every Justice is assigned at least one circuit.
ETA:
For the DC Circuit, the Circuit Justice is John "The Scumbag F*cking Traitor" Roberts. Don’t expect John Roberts to ever give an emergency hearing to anything dealing with the Trump administration – at least where the Trump administration lost at the lower level and is appealing the decision on an expedited basis.
For the First Circuit, the Circuit Justice is Justice Affirmative Action Jackson. This is where the Rhode Island case would need to be appealled to. This is exactly why they went to f*cking Rhode Island of all places to get this restraining order. They know exactly what a complete piece of politicized f*cking filth Ketanji is.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 8:33 am
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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normative
There it is again. I thought "legal" was the standard for courts.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:23 am to NC_Tigah
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an audit is throwing wrenches into the system?
This isn't a normal audit and you know that.
How many audits have randoms on Twitter getting this data to post about prior to the final report? Have you ever seen anything like this done in the history of your life, let alone have it be called an "audit"?
This is ignoring whether or not this "agency" (whatever it is) has the legal authority to do so, and whether or not the individuals involved have the legal authority to do so. Whether proper record keeping is going on. Etc.
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Certainly a local judge issuing a sweeping injunction against the Executive Branch w/ no due consideration or hearing is throwing wrenches into the system.
It doesn't end there. There will be a trial shortly.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:25 am to Flats
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You're shite at mind-reading, j
This is one of your quotes
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And that was going to happen anyway. If DOGE did anything beyond existing they were always going to tie it up in court.
"It's going to happen anyway" = fatalism. I didn't use the f-word until I responded to that post specifically.
Then you did a laugh emoji when I responded substantively.

Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:26 am to Flats
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I thought "legal" was the standard for courts.
Sure, but novelty creates chaos in courts until they have time to figure it out and create standards for the novelty. It's not going to be solved in 3 days for a legal system of 330M people and multiple layers of review.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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"It's going to happen anyway" = fatalism.
the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable.
"fatalism can breed indifference to the human costs of war"
It's not predetermined or inevitable, just predictable. There's a difference.
But if you want to stake a claim that if Trump had just formed DOGE "properly" (which you can't seem to define, let alone explain what they did that's illegal), then the left wouldn't have judge-shopped in an attempt to slow or halt the efforts of DOGE, then here's your chance. Is that what you believe?
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 8:37 am
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
The facts of the case are distinguishable you stupid f*ck. When the 14th amendment was being considered, there were statements from one of the parties who wrote the damn amendment that says that this wasn’t going apply to illegals. That was not at issue in the case you cited.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:42 am to Flats
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But if you want to stake a claim that if Trump had just formed DOGE "properly" (which you can't seem to define,
I did already
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My argument has been to avoid EOs entirely and follow the APA or get Congress involve to ensure compliance to eliminate the arguments. That's how you properly form and authorize something like DOGE.
LINK
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:43 am to udtiger
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Congress should pass law giving SCOTUS sole, original jurisdiction over any litigation that seeks to enjoin the actions of the President or Cabinet Members
At the least, they could authorize an inferior court of limited exclusive jurisdiction and limited concurrent jurisdiction to hear the matters. (That is, similar to how Federal Claims has exclusive jurisdiction on claims above 10K against fed gov and concurrent with districts under 10k). For instance, any non- monetary order beyond the district courts authority would require the special court, and cases in more than one district on the same subject matter could get removed to that court
It coukd mitigate some if the forum and judge shopping. If the USSC is lazy they could still route appeals through the CAFC
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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My argument has been to avoid EOs entirely and follow the APA or get Congress involve to ensure compliance to eliminate the arguments.
The Chief Executive does not need authority from Congress to audit any department of the Executive branch. It really is that simple. Do you really think Democrats in Congress should have the authority to restrict the Chief Executive from auditing any division of the Executive branch?
Even YOU can’t be THAT F*CKING STUPID.
You do realize that that scumbag f*cking judge has actually banned the Secretary of the Treasury from accessing the Treasury data. So, not only can’t the Chief Executive order an audit of a department of the executive branch, but also the cabinet Secretary in charge of these departments can’t even access the data for which he/she is responsible
I would say you can’t be stupid enough to think that this has any f*cking legitimacy, however, we all know you are that f*cking stupid
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:46 am to MMauler
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The facts of the case are distinguishable you stupid f*ck.
If they were so distinguishable, you could answer.
So in which of the 2 exceptions do they fall?
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When the 14th amendment was being considered, there were statements from one of the parties who wrote the damn amendment that says that this wasn’t going apply to illegals.
Why are you calling out Scalia ?
“The greatest defect of legislative history is its illegitimacy. We are governed by laws, not by the intentions of legislators.”
"We are here to apply the statute, not the legislative history"
-Scalia
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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This isn't a normal audit and you know that.
How many audits have randoms on Twitter getting this data to post about prior to the final report?
Oh, so now that it’s fully f*cking transparent, somehow that makes it illegal.
You really are THAT F*CKING STUPID.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:48 am to MMauler
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Oh, so now that it’s fully f*cking transparent, somehow that makes it illegal.
Where did I say anything in that post about being illegal?
I said normal.
And transparency is fine. That's what the final reports are for.
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You really are THAT F*CKING STUPID.
I'm not. You just can't read.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 8:49 am
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Judge Mathis needs you back in the court room.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:50 am to DByrd2
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you are not as educated in law as you think
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
Dawg, your exact words that I asked the question to were:
You alleged that they didn't follow the laws properly.
Which laws did they not follow properly?
Maybe if you didn't shift focus and directions with your points and presentation, you could keep up with your own BS.
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I'm not anti-DOGE. I said a long time ago my fear over Trump and DOGE was they'd do what they did last time and be too aggressive ant not follow the law properly and get DOGE tied up. That's literally exactly what happened.
You alleged that they didn't follow the laws properly.
Which laws did they not follow properly?
Maybe if you didn't shift focus and directions with your points and presentation, you could keep up with your own BS.

Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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So in which of the 2 exceptions do they fall?
There is no need to have one of those two exceptions apply. According to the language, and the person who drafted the amendment, the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" does not apply to criminals who enter this country illegally. There is nothing in that phrase that suggests that criminals who enter this country illegally are covered by the 14th amendment.
For damn sure, you would have to be one seriously f*cked-in-the-head politicized f*cking retard to even suggest that Trump's Executive Order is “illegal as f*ck." It has an extremely plausible basis in both law and constitutional history.
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