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re: Simple solution to judicial overreach and nationwide injunctions

Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:03 am to
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:03 am to
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by following the proper protocols in formation and administration


So now "proper" is the standard, not the law? What was illegal about forming an advisory team?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:03 am to
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Like taking 4 hours late Friday night to digest a 60 page document? A


They forum shopped like the anti-Biden injunctions having similar quick reads in TX. Nobody is disputing that. It doesn't end here, though.

They're going to ultimately have a trial on the merits of this injunction request.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:04 am to
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What was illegal about forming an advisory team?

I don't think DOGE has even declared that's what it is, yet, specifically.
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:05 am to
What laws did they “not follow properly”?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:07 am to
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They forum shopped


And that was going to happen anyway. If DOGE did anything beyond existing they were always going to tie it up in court. So why are you pretending that this injunction is evidence of anything improper?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:08 am to
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If DOGE did anything beyond existing they were always going to tie it up in court.


If the proper procedures were followed, this isn't true. Maybe a short-term TRO but they'd withstand the trial phase and operate during the appeals process.

This is the fatalism defense of MAGA failures.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:08 am to
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What laws did they “not follow properly”?


He can't answer that, which is why he's switched to words like "proper" and "normative".
Posted by MMauler
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:09 am to

Wong Kim Ark Is easily distinguishable. His parents did not come here illegally with a specific intent of violating our immigration laws. It was a different time and a different place.

Further, because of the Chinese Exclusion Act, his parents were incapable of gaining citizenship. Unless you are some sort of criminal, all of the women now having anchor babies are eligible for citizenship. They just don’t want to wait in f*cking line like everyone else as is required by our immigration laws.

The parents of today’s anchor babies specifically come here in violation of our immigration laws. Many do so specifically to have an anchor baby to get all the f*cking welfare to send back to their home countries. Hell, in China, there is a huge cottage industry where women pay big bucks to fly over here strictly to have their babies.

Are you really stupid enough to believe that this is what the 14th amendment had in mind? Actually, everyone on this board already knows that you are THAT F*CKING STUPID.

Of course, you’re way too f*cking retarded to think beyond the talking points your dear leaders have given you. You really need to stop regurgitating the garbage you hear on Rachel Maddow.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 8:11 am
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:09 am to
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If the proper procedures were followed, this isn't true.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
452343 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:12 am to
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He can't answer that, which is why he's switched to words like "proper" and "normative".


Well he needs to be more specific. Is he discussing the formation? I can link the lawsuit for that one if he wants to read the allegations about the formation issues.
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9501 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:12 am to
And he gives people grief over ad Homs like he doesn’t invite them with his arse-shining antics.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:13 am to
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Wong Kim Ark Is easily distinguishable. His parents did not come here illegally with a specific intent of violating our immigration laws. It was a different time and a different place.


Which 2 exceptions of WKA do children illegals fall under?

Are the illegals diplomats? No

Are the illegals living in an area controlled by hostile forces? No.

If they don't fall under either, then WKA isn't distinguishable, as the case makes clear these are the only 2 exceptions to birthright citizenship.
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9501 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:14 am to
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allegations


Do not prove anything regarding “not following laws properly”.

I refuse to believe you are this dense.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25427 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:14 am to
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I can link the lawsuit


Oh. The way you're making claims I thought you were informed on the matter.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:14 am to
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but if you're intentionally throwing wrenches into the system,
an audit is throwing wrenches into the system?

Certainly a local judge issuing a sweeping injunction against the Executive Branch w/ no due consideration or hearing is throwing wrenches into the system. But your reference is to the auditors and gatherers of information?
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 8:15 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:15 am to
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Do not prove anything regarding “not following laws properly”.

Sure, but that's what's potentially holding up DOGE.

Are you asking what I'm saying they should have done? Your question was bad, which is why I didn't answer it (to save you the problems, as you seem confused).

Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9501 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:17 am to
No. You claimed as a fact (inferred by your arrangement of words) that the Trump team did not follow law properly.

I asked what laws they “did not follow properly”.

It’s a simple question, brother.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:17 am to
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The way you're making claims I thought you were informed on the matter.


My argument has been to avoid EOs entirely and follow the APA or get Congress involve to ensure compliance to eliminate the arguments. That's how you properly form and authorize something like DOGE.

Again, my fear has been by now following either choice above, they'd run into attacks, which is exactly what happened. You're just defaulting to fatalism about the response.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
65802 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:18 am to
Are we going to amend Arts. II and III
of the Constitution? They’ll be quick and easy.??
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9501 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:19 am to
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VOR


Nobody shined your rainbow-colored Bat Signal…
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