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re: Simple Solution: only permit one protest at a time per place
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
brandenburg
Skokie
Same as VA
quote:
These later decisions have fashioned the principle that the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.
Skokie
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The outcome was that the Illinois Supreme Court ruled that the use of the swastika is a symbolic form of free speech entitled to First Amendment protections and determined that the swastika itself did not constitute "fighting words". Its ruling allowed the National Socialist Party of America to march.[
Same as VA
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The outcome was that the Illinois Supreme Court ruled that the use of the swastika is a symbolic form of free speech entitled to First Amendment protections and determined that the swastika itself did not constitute "fighting words".
What part of that says it's okay to run someone over with a car?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:33 pm to BamaAtl
quote:What part of this thread is about the legality of running someone over with a car?
What part of that says it's okay to run someone over with a car?
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:34 pm to BamaAtl
... Nothing?
That dude is going to jail, probably for the rest of his life.
We aren't talking about that one incident of violence. We are talking about the entire grouping of thousands of acts of violence this weekend.
Nobody is defending Fields in my thread
That dude is going to jail, probably for the rest of his life.
We aren't talking about that one incident of violence. We are talking about the entire grouping of thousands of acts of violence this weekend.
Nobody is defending Fields in my thread
Posted on 8/13/17 at 5:36 pm to BamaAtl
JFC you people really are mentally ill. Holy shite.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 6:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We aren't talking about that one incident of violence. We are talking about the entire grouping of thousands of acts of violence this weekend.
And those weren't caused by 'multiple rallies' being allowed at the same time.
They were caused because one group was Nazis. Nazis bring violence. Every time.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:48 pm to BamaAtl
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And those weren't caused by 'multiple rallies' being allowed at the same time.
uh...well you're technically right. it was mostly caused by illegal "counter protests" (so i don't know if they count as an actually rally instead of just mass instigation of violence).
the primary question is if this incident followed history and the leftist groups instigated the violence or if, for once, it was the groups on the right
quote:
They were caused because one group was Nazis. Nazis bring violence. Every time.
let them have their own protest without interruption and i guarantee you there wont' be violence
and what about this?
there weren't Nazis at that event...and....violence
This post was edited on 8/13/17 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:52 pm to PsychTiger
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Unfortunately someone on the extreme right finally took the bait and someone died as a result. The extreme left is celebrating right now.
I think you mean the left.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 8:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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let them have their own protest without interruption
Absolutely not. We already had a discussion about Nazi values 70ish years ago. They lost that argument.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 8:18 pm to BamaAtl
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We already had a discussion about Nazi values 70ish years ago. They lost that argument.
so are you saying we should do what....
outlaw their beliefs/speech?
use violence to stop them from speaking in public?
i'm asking seriously
i believe in the 1st amendment and free speech. i hate their message but believe they have every right to speak it
using violence to stop them is fascism
Posted on 8/13/17 at 8:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
Belief in the Constitution. Except your plan for permits.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 8:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:As far as I know this is the status quo. But they reserve specific places, they can't reserve the whole city and frankly that seems like more prior restraint than I'm comfortable with. The fisticuffs happen when they're on the way from one to the other.
i have not seen confirmation that any of the leftist groups secured a permit to interfere with the march.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:24 pm to Iosh
honestly i don't think this would do much more than make instigators of violence more clear
but i think that distinction is going to become important moving forward
but i think that distinction is going to become important moving forward
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
so are you saying we should do what....
Protest them as loudly as possible whenever they choose to publicly display their hatred.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:39 pm to BamaAtl
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Protest them as loudly as possible whenever they choose to publicly display their hatred.
illegally?
using violence?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:41 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Nazis in this country are afforded the same rights as you are, son.
Absolutely not. We already had a discussion about Nazi values 70ish years ago. They lost that argument.
So are 9/11 Truthers, birthers, progressives, and communists.
Speech is free, or it isn't.
Peaceable assembly is free, or it isn't.
Your suggestion to the contrary is disturbing.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
illegally?
using violence?
Legally (hooray, 1st Amendment).
And they did not use violence, that would be the Nazis.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:43 pm to BamaAtl
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And they did not use violence,
holy shite. . .
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Our police forces are going to be under political pressure to police the "fascists" and to give the "leftist commies" free rein.
I think we might be able to use C'ville as an example of this. Facts seem to indicate that the police withdrew from the scene after Antifa showed up.
In any event, the entire affair was a massive failure on the part of the authorities of C'ville.
I think we might be able to use C'ville as an example of this. Facts seem to indicate that the police withdrew from the scene after Antifa showed up.
In any event, the entire affair was a massive failure on the part of the authorities of C'ville.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:46 pm to Champagne
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In any event, the entire affair was a massive failure on the part of the authorities of C'ville.
Yeah, it seems sort of interesting how this is basically lost in the "story" here.
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