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re: Shouldn’t “preemptive’ pardons be unconstitutional?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:47 am to Geekboy
Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:47 am to Geekboy
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What’s to prevent a sitting President to hire someone to conduct criminal activities and assure them they will get a preemptive pardon just in case they get investigated later and possibly convicted.
This seems WILDLY unconstitutional.
Imagine Nixon pre-emptively pardoning the Watergate "plumbers."
The entire concept of a broad pre-emptive pardon is shady extremely shady and subject to wanton abuse.
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:51 am to Willie Stroker
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my recollection of high school history is accurate, we had a President named Ford who preemptively pardoned a President named Nixon. To my knowledge no legal scholar ever seriously considered it worth filing a legal challenge against it.
Am I overlooking any key distinctions between that and this?
There's some differences. Nixon was pardoned for Watergate events.
A specific set of instances.
The Hunter Biden pardon is set for any federal crimes he may have committed or be charged for, over a set amount of time.
The reasoning for it is also dubious "assumed political prosecution".
If we can get attorneys who can give SCOTUS the arguments we need to be able to beat these, I believe we have judges that would rule against Biden.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:51 am to Geekboy
So you preemptive pardon someone can they just go on a killing spree, rob a bank, and its ok or what does it cover?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
This precedent, if allowed, sets future admins up for some serious abuse of power. shite needs to be curbed now.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:54 am to Geekboy
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preemptive
its not really preemptive because the crimes have already been committed just not charged but i hate this shite. so slimy
but what needs to happen, is
1) make all of them testify before congress, cant claim the 5th as they cant be charged
2) civil suits should fly based on the testimony
3) congress should pass law that if convicted or pardoned for a crime committed while in office, you lose retirement and all benefits.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 11:58 am to umrebel2009
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So you preemptive pardon someone can they just go on a killing spree, rob a bank, and its ok or what does it cover?
That's what SloMoFaag thinks. Lawyer, my asss
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:00 pm to shinerfan
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You really think this a clever gotcha, don't you?
He's an ignorant DU faaggot.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:12 pm to bizeagle
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could Biden have issued a preemptive pardon to every person who might be charged, though unnamed, by the Trump administration, every state and local government? Looks like some here believe the answer is YES
There has to be a name and identifying data in the pardon.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:14 pm to Icansee4miles
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He gets paid to break up marriages. Bottom feeders barely above the billboard/TV shysters
Judges are paid to break up marriages. Lawyers are paid to rip people off, during the breakup.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:16 pm to David Fellows
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That's what SloMoFaag thinks
Nope. Learn how to read.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:16 pm to Wolfwireless
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Judges are paid to break up marriages. Lawyers are paid to rip people off, during the breakup.
Wouldn't you want an option to incentivize specifically not doing this?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
You've outed yourself, fggot.
Go back to your gloryhole.
Go back to your gloryhole.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 12:55 pm to Jimmy Russel
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Would it be possible to challenge the pardons based on Biden’s mental state? There’s plenty of evidence to challenge whether he knew what he was signing.
If you challenge them as part of a criminal conspiracy involving Biden himself you should be able to force Biden himself to defend them under oath. At that point, when he clearly has no idea who he even pardoned, much less a sound justification for doing so, you add the issue of mental competence.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 1:00 pm to Geekboy
The party that did preemptive indictments now gives you pre-emptive pardons.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Lawyer, my asss
Posted on 1/20/25 at 1:15 pm to Geekboy
Posted on 1/20/25 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't know and it's not relevant to the topic of OP.
OP asked if any president took part in illegal activities and preemptively pardons himself and anyone else involved.
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No. I'm not answering to avoid being attached to irrelevant digressions from OP and to keep the thread on topic
it is a very legitimate question to ask what these people are being pardoned for?
as an attorney, you would never ask the "why"? Or have you ever heard if "intent"? Of course you have heard of the terms. However, you choose to ignore things when things go in s direction you don't want to go in.
I am tapping out of this one. I actually feel sorry for you. The TDS is eating you up inside.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Uh...if the crime was already committed, how is it "preemptive"?
So what you’re saying is they are all guilty and he’s pardoning them. Gotcha!
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:13 pm to tigersaint26
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So what you’re saying is they are all guilty and he’s pardoning them. Gotcha!
In the hypothetical in OP? Yes
His hypothetical presumes guilt
Posted on 1/20/25 at 2:13 pm to Screaming Viking
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it is a very legitimate question to ask
Not in this thread
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