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re: Shouldn’t “preemptive’ pardons be unconstitutional?

Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:47 am to
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:47 am to
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Bruh, just go hep Ms. Jackson get her check from the insurance company for her whiplash.


He's not that type of lawyer. He's the type that uses kids as leverage against each parent.
Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
24107 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:49 am to
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He's not that type of lawyer. He's the type that uses kids as leverage against each parent.


Oh, so he's even more of a scumbag
Posted by Sasquatch45
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:51 am to
So Biden is admitting it was all bullshite!!
The Democrats in there last day of power or evil clowns and the morons that believe their shite ?? deserve what is coming .

Enjoy Today!!
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40544 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:52 am to
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He offers discount divorces i shite you not.


Bruh
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62549 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:53 am to
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Uh...if the crime was already committed, how is it "preemptive"?



Because the perpetrator hasn't been to court and convicted would be my guess. You know, like Hunter Biden.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:54 am to
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It’s an interesting expenditure of political capital to say the least.


I think until the extreme partisan-political climate/emotions settle down, this is going to become the SOP. Like I can see it just expected the entire admin gets a pardon now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:54 am to
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He's the type that uses kids as leverage against each parent.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:55 am to
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Oh, so he's even more of a scumbag


Only in fantasy world. Y'all need to settle on one narrative. 3 have been posted just in this thread
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:55 am to
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Because the perpetrator hasn't been to court and convicted would be my guess.


Next line of my post

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There is no limitation in the Constitution that the pardon power arises once an investigation begins.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:56 am to
Making excuses for tLeft. Not shocking

It Orange did this you would be imploding
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:56 am to
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Uh...if the crime was already committed, how is it "preemptive"


Because an indictment and verdict hasn’t been rendered. Just because a crime has been committed there is still due process.

I would have thought they taught you that in law school.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:57 am to
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Making excuses for tLeft. Not shocking

There was no partisanship in my comment.

It's a legal question.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:58 am to
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Because an indictment and verdict hasn’t been rendered.

I covered that in the next line of that post

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There is no limitation in the Constitution that the pardon power arises once an investigation begins.


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Just because a crime has been committed there is still due process.


Where in the Constitution does it say pardons are only effective once all due process has occurred?
Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
24107 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:59 am to
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Only in fantasy world. Y'all need to settle on one narrative.



We settled on the narrative of you being a shitty poster about 440,000 posts ago.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76526 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:01 am to
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Making excuses for tLeft. Not shocking
He hides his partisanship behind his definition of “legal analysis”.

He is incapable of taking an actual stance on any topic.

This idea that he built in his own mind as a “non-partisan” poster gives him a sense of moral superiority, much like society sees with vegans.
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It Orange did this you would be imploding
100%

In four years, if Trump performs any pardons at all, he will be the first to create a thread about it.
Posted by RyanMartin835
Thibodaux
Member since Aug 2015
550 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:01 am to
Preemptive federal pardon wouldn't protect Milley from military tribunals would it?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:03 am to
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He hides his partisanship behind his definition of “legal analysis”.

You're above this buffoonery

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He is incapable of taking an actual stance on any topic.

This is also not true. However, I do not box myself into some in/out group with some party label.

I've taken many stances on topics important to me like the police state, criminal justice reform, federal over spending, the budget/deficit, etc.

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This idea that he built in his own mind as a “non-partisan” poster

I have a set of policies I believe in. They do not fall within the binary DEM/GOP choice. That doesn't make me non-partisan, it just removes me from either of those groups (and the partisan mind rot and escalating emotionality involved in either).

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100%

Trump issues silly pardons 4 years ago. No "implosion"

Posted by David Fellows
Chicago but Georgia on my mind
Member since Mar 2024
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:04 am to
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if the crime was already committed, how is it "preemptive"?


holy shite yer even dumber than everyone here already thinks you are.



It's preemptive, dumbass, because no charges have been filed. "Preemptive", even under whacko lefty logic, doesn't mean a pardon for any future crimes. It's 'preempting' any future charges for crimes already committed.

Go back to your gloryhole. That flaccid old man dik isn't gonna suck itself.

Imbecile
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 8:07 am
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2855 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:04 am to
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what charges are being pardoned?


That’s currently the problem. The constitution doesn’t speak to that, so it’s a loophole that needs to be closed after being challenged in court if upheld.

I think the current course of action is to pursue it in court first (maybe Cheney for witness tampering), call them in front of Congress where they can’t plead the 5th and hope someone perjures themselves, and find a state AG to go after them (although Fauci is probably the only one that an AG could charge).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465347 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:04 am to
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Preemptive federal pardon wouldn't protect Milley from military tribunals would it?

That is a very good question and I am not sure. Military tribunals are based, ultimately, in federal law, so it probably would.
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