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Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:03 pm to 93and99
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You make up shite about professions that don't offer health insurance.
My neighbor owns a roofing company and only has 12 employees and he offers health insurance.
My brother owns a welding business and only has 3 employees and he offers heath insurance.
One. More. Time. Your anecdotes are just that: personal stories that may or may not match the overall population that is sampled. I provided a link to data. You said some stuff about friends that none of us on here can verify.
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poverty is a choice.
Yes, a choice you're making for other people by being a pawn for rich people. It's a choice in that we choose our current policies and political leaders. That's the only extent to which poverty is a "choice."
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:04 pm to roadGator
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ME: You said roofers should have made better life choices
YOU: Nope. Stop lying. It’s dumb.
And here's what you posted: "Roofers, in fact, often are roofers because of terrible life choices."
So, you're lying. And to deflect are accusing me of lying. Nice move.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:07 pm to LSU2ALA
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That’s not possible for everyone and you know it. There aren’t that many jobs out there that provide healthcare. In the end, I believe we have a Christian obligation to take care of each other.
What about a Christian obligation to protect babies from being aborted? Joe Biden likes to throw his Irish Catholic roots in our face but supports abortion. Pelosi too ... they both make me sick to the stomach.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:08 pm to TigerAlum2006
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Yes, a choice you're making for other people by being a pawn for rich people. It's a choice in that we choose our current policies and political leaders. That's the only extent to which poverty is a "choice."
I don't envy the wealthy like you do.
Your dad didn't teach you about personal responsibility?
Mine did!
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:10 pm to David_DJS
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You just made this argument - you're going to murder a person anyway, so I prefer it be done legally and as safely as possible for the murderer.
I would prefer just the fetus die than the mother die also and/or us having to pay more because she needs medical help that she can’t pay for due to a botched procedure.
Banning abortion won’t stop then from happening. Same as drugs, making them illegal hasn’t stopped drug use. I would also prefer we stop the “war on drugs” and redirect that money to treatment programs to help those with drug/abuse problems
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:11 pm to PickupAutist
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I’m sorry, but the poor in American are not the biblical poor.
Let me stop you right there. You actually don't give a damn. If you did, you wouldn't have written the rest of your post.
Don't lecture anyone here on the Bible when you equate helping the poor with "financing the lifestyles of drunks, derelicts, and homeless sex offenders." First, we all know what Jesus would have said and done. Second, you can't just equate poverty with a moral failing. Rich people can be drunks, derelicts, and sex offenders. So, stop pretending like all poor people are these things and that being in poverty is a moral failing.
At the end of the day, you don't seem to care about any data about what it means to be working poor, what happens to people who have to take on multiple low-paying jobs, and how prevalent it is for bosses to steal and depress wages. Hell, our current economic system celebrates a certain amount of unemployment...and that's a number of people who want to work but can't find jobs. Stop ignoring that. And stop pretending that poverty is a moral failing of individuals.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:15 pm to 93and99
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I don't envy the wealthy like you do.
Listen to yourself. Did Jesus envy the wealthy when he instructed us to be wary of idolizing money and wealth? He spoke directly of heaven and rich men. Was He envious of the wealthy?
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:15 pm to LSU2ALA
As a Christian I could never support someone who promotes abortion, gender confusion, LGBT and all their depravity, lawlessness and looting, hatred and disrespect for our police officers, Marxism, disdain for religious freedom, burning of flags and bibles, the constant lies, disinformation and false witness from the mainstream media, not to mention the leftist brainwashing in our schools. I could go on and on about the abominations of the godless left.
I'd recommend you read the last part of Roman's chapter 1 and see what the apostle Paul says about unbelief and it's consequences. Fits the Democrats to a tee.
I'd recommend you read the last part of Roman's chapter 1 and see what the apostle Paul says about unbelief and it's consequences. Fits the Democrats to a tee.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:18 pm to TigerAlum2006
You said I dismissed them wholly. Stop lying or learn what often means. Typical prog.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:18 pm to TigerAlum2006
Poor people have nobody to blame but themselves. Only you control your destiny. Stop with your Marxist ways of thinking and educate yourself.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:21 pm to ShortyRob
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HOWEVER. The real question to me is how we got Biden in the first place? I mean, it honestly still completely befuddles me. Trying to think as a liberal, I literally cannot think of one thing positive about Biden in 2020 vs his opponents. It makes no sense whatsoever.
It makes perfect sense when you ascribe to the extreme left Trojan Horse theory. A year ago I would not have bought that line of thinking but today I am a firm believer in it.
The Dems are run by a shadow group and have been since Bush beat Gore in 2000... maybe longer. How else would the junior Senator from Illinois with only 3 yrs in office and no national accomplishments displace the Clinton political machine to get the nomination in 2008. Now Biden is their Trojan Horse to get people into office that would never otherwise get elected outright.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:22 pm to ShortyRob
quote:When you consider this question, you must realize that these are people who support the most murderous, violent, and damaging policies this country has ever seen.
The real question to me is how we got Biden in the first place? I mean, it honestly still completely befuddles me. Trying to think as a liberal, I literally cannot think of one thing positive about Biden in 2020 vs his opponents. It makes no sense whatsoever.
The mound of 3000+ aborted infants EACH DAY leads their wish come true.
The race demagoguing designed to hold minorities enslaved is just as bad.
Their policy and ideas regarding law enforcement ALWAYS tend toward failure that creates misery, chaos, and death. Their areas demonstrate this.
To go along with their pestilence and failure their economic policy is ample accompaniment for the wrecked shamble that always results.
Their foreign policy is designed to kill, other nationalities as well as OUR CHILDREN.
Their tendency to fall directly into Maoist convulsion results in contribution to the massive evil that there side supports.
The very idea that there are Americans who support the Democrat Party, SUPPORT EVEN A SINGLE CANDIDATE OF TODAYS DEMOCRAT PARTY demonstrates that their politics is as psychological and psychiatric professionals has SERIOUSLY TERMED mental illness - a mental illness that, if given to, will kill all of THEIR ADHERENTS.
A bizarre absurdity is ALL that Democrats are... a murderous threat and an obscene death wish. Again, I can not imagine how any decent human could EVER support such treachery and death, enslavement and hostile violence.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:27 pm to TigerAlum2006
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TigerAlum2006
You aren't a Christian.
Stop acting like you are.
God doesn't support abortion.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:47 pm to TigerAlum2006
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ME: You said roofers should have made better life choices YOU: Nope. Stop lying. It’s dumb. And here's what you posted: "Roofers, in fact, often are roofers because of terrible life choices." So, you're lying. And to deflect are accusing me of lying. Nice move.
Dumb and a liar. Yikes.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:20 pm to TigerAlum2006
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Because we disagree on some points—and because you misunderstand my position—I am clearly uneducated.
My point was that images 1 and 4 could easily depict our current U.S. conditions. 2 could have been a supermarket during this pandemic (which has been exacerbated by an erratic, inept, and immoral GOP response spearheaded by Trump). And 3...I don't even know what that is...because it's a meme that's trying to reduce real discussion into black and white terms.
At the end of the day, "at the margin" is the part I'm trying to debate here
Do you see your inconsistency here?
You can't being speaking "at the margin" and also make the suggestions you have.
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I think we have a form of capitalism that is tied to a two-party government that unabashedly protects the interests of the rich and corporations over everything else. You read that right: Republicans and Democrats. But our form of capitalism doesn't have to be that way. And it could be better. There are actual policies that exacerbate income inequality—and there are policies that reduce it. We have the data and examples from our own capitalist system. Also, you're ignoring that the U.S. is slipping in relation to some European countries with regard to quality of life metrics, including healthcare and life expectancy.
I agree with some of this. Capitalism as it's practiced today has been corrupted. Interestingly, coincident to this is the change in the politics of the ultra-wealthy. Further, it's not the poor that are hurt by this, it's the middle class.
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There are actual policies that exacerbate income inequality
Yes. Like open borders and the flooding of unskilled labor in the market, which is little more than a wealth transfer program benefiting the wealthy.
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At the end of the day, some of y'all take this approach that when someone says, rationally, let's try to do better with x, you respond as if you're personally attacked...and maybe you are...maybe you're worried that a designed system that works for you but not others might suddenly stop working for you. It's like in your protest against change you acknowledge that our current system isn't actually fair or just.
No. I don't feel personally attacked. I was responding to your inference that the poor in America are NOT better off because of capitalism, even the convoluted version we practice today. Your point about images 1 to 4 was ignorant, and that's why I suggested you should spend some time outside the US to see how the rest of the world lives.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:24 pm to ProfFrink
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I would prefer just the fetus die than the mother die also and/or us having to pay more because she needs medical help that she can’t pay for due to a botched procedure.
Banning abortion won’t stop then from happening. Same as drugs, making them illegal hasn’t stopped drug use. I would also prefer we stop the “war on drugs” and redirect that money to treatment programs to help those with drug/abuse problems
Your argument isn't hard to understand. It's just stupid.
If you sincerely believe abortion is murder, the rest of your post is completely illogical.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:29 pm to LSU2ALA
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Hey, I know my worldview is radical. I believe the Bible was serious when it said take care of the foreigner for you were a stranger in a strange land. I believe it was serious when it said to take care of the sick.
Then do it.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 2:56 pm to Geekboy
liberal here, serious answer to the serious question
1. health care. anyone who thinks the current disaster was the plan is insane, you cant say the left wants single pay AND impossible insurance premiums, those are exact opposites.
2. get the money out of elections, SuperPACs and Citizens United are poison, its how you get pay for play. Biden has been writing bills on this since the 70s
3. the end of private prisons and justice reform, no one should be in jail just for drug use or some draconian third strike violation.
4. equality act. Im a straight white guy, this isnt personal to me, and to be perfectly candid I think some of the trans stuff is a little weird, I dont get it, but I dont have to get it, its not my life, and no one is free until everyone is free.
5. hard commitment to renewable energy, another thing that wont help me personally, but its the old proverb, "society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in". what we're doing now very clearly wont work forever, its not tenable, it has to change, we cant do this to the future.
6. gut defense spending and our military presence around the world, the amount of taxpayer money given away is insane beyond words, there is no chance that money is being anything but stolen
1. health care. anyone who thinks the current disaster was the plan is insane, you cant say the left wants single pay AND impossible insurance premiums, those are exact opposites.
2. get the money out of elections, SuperPACs and Citizens United are poison, its how you get pay for play. Biden has been writing bills on this since the 70s
3. the end of private prisons and justice reform, no one should be in jail just for drug use or some draconian third strike violation.
4. equality act. Im a straight white guy, this isnt personal to me, and to be perfectly candid I think some of the trans stuff is a little weird, I dont get it, but I dont have to get it, its not my life, and no one is free until everyone is free.
5. hard commitment to renewable energy, another thing that wont help me personally, but its the old proverb, "society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in". what we're doing now very clearly wont work forever, its not tenable, it has to change, we cant do this to the future.
6. gut defense spending and our military presence around the world, the amount of taxpayer money given away is insane beyond words, there is no chance that money is being anything but stolen
Posted on 8/12/20 at 3:03 pm to 451
Thank you for those answers.
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