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Seattle Autonomous Zone
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:21 am
Man is such an interesting, silly animal.
Protestors have taken over what, 6 blocks in Seattle, and have claimed it is an Autonomous Zone free of police. The right as lost its mind over this with the president threatening federal intervention in what is clearly a city level issue first and at best a state level issue, unless of course the old chestnut about states rights only apply to issues near and dear to the heart of the right, which of course we all know is oh so true...
Any way I read this hilarious tidbit about the situation...
"Mr. Moore said the experiment in a place without police could work.
“We are trying to prove through action and practice that we don’t need them and we can fulfill the community’s needs without them,” he said".
That speaks volumes about the thinking, such that it is, going on in the minds of the protestors. Yes, it can work...as long as the police are outside the 6 block perimeter preventing anyone bent on doing so from stopping the protest themselves. It can work as long as the police protect the supply routes and the utilities coming into the area...shut the water and food off and things end very fast and very badly.
The protestors are convinced they can survive with only a few like minded individuals bent on doing so. It is exactly the mind set of the right who were put off when Barrack Obama reminded them they didn't build that on their own. Man is a social animal....we may be able to survive at a basic level on our own but given a choice most will join whatever band of people will have them because we are a social animal. I know the right will reject this out of hand as will the left but this is a pretty good indication of how like minded the two sides are and how the gap between them is merely semantical in nature.
So what to do? I know many of you would like nothing better than federal troops marching and gunning the protestors down like vermin. Better yet is to simply ignore them....they aren't revolutionaries...they are people with time on their hands on a lark. The protest isn't sustainable...wait them the freak out....listen to their demands, pay lip service to finding answers and in a few days they will turn on one another and suddenly remember they have pressing business elsewhere. Over reacting will only lead to more of the same and will harden their resolve. If you ruin their futures by either shooting them or crippling them or charging them with the crimes they are no doubt guilty of some will become sure enough problems we will have to deal with time and again....simply pretending to pay them the minimum of attention will frustrate them and quicken the demise of their "movement"....
SO some will ask "what about the property owned by others" and that is, indeed, very sad....but it also makes the point that the property owner indeed did not "build that"....only society allows ownership of anything other than one's mind.....everything else we own is attributable to our collective effort to ensure we can indeed possess something other than our thoughts....
Protestors have taken over what, 6 blocks in Seattle, and have claimed it is an Autonomous Zone free of police. The right as lost its mind over this with the president threatening federal intervention in what is clearly a city level issue first and at best a state level issue, unless of course the old chestnut about states rights only apply to issues near and dear to the heart of the right, which of course we all know is oh so true...
Any way I read this hilarious tidbit about the situation...
"Mr. Moore said the experiment in a place without police could work.
“We are trying to prove through action and practice that we don’t need them and we can fulfill the community’s needs without them,” he said".
That speaks volumes about the thinking, such that it is, going on in the minds of the protestors. Yes, it can work...as long as the police are outside the 6 block perimeter preventing anyone bent on doing so from stopping the protest themselves. It can work as long as the police protect the supply routes and the utilities coming into the area...shut the water and food off and things end very fast and very badly.
The protestors are convinced they can survive with only a few like minded individuals bent on doing so. It is exactly the mind set of the right who were put off when Barrack Obama reminded them they didn't build that on their own. Man is a social animal....we may be able to survive at a basic level on our own but given a choice most will join whatever band of people will have them because we are a social animal. I know the right will reject this out of hand as will the left but this is a pretty good indication of how like minded the two sides are and how the gap between them is merely semantical in nature.
So what to do? I know many of you would like nothing better than federal troops marching and gunning the protestors down like vermin. Better yet is to simply ignore them....they aren't revolutionaries...they are people with time on their hands on a lark. The protest isn't sustainable...wait them the freak out....listen to their demands, pay lip service to finding answers and in a few days they will turn on one another and suddenly remember they have pressing business elsewhere. Over reacting will only lead to more of the same and will harden their resolve. If you ruin their futures by either shooting them or crippling them or charging them with the crimes they are no doubt guilty of some will become sure enough problems we will have to deal with time and again....simply pretending to pay them the minimum of attention will frustrate them and quicken the demise of their "movement"....
SO some will ask "what about the property owned by others" and that is, indeed, very sad....but it also makes the point that the property owner indeed did not "build that"....only society allows ownership of anything other than one's mind.....everything else we own is attributable to our collective effort to ensure we can indeed possess something other than our thoughts....
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:27 am to Gtmodawg
I think that’s exactly what the President is doing. Besides, he can’t bring the NG or military in without request from the Governor.
Ironically, you cite that they still need police protection to keep supply lines open. That’s where I think you’re wrong. They want to experiment being their own country? Fine. You can’t use US currency. You’ll have to pay tariffs and taxes on imports. Figure out your own supply lines. A society that doesn’t produce anything won’t last very long.
Property owners that are trapped by this insurrection (and it is an insurrection) can sue the city for allowing it to happen.
Ironically, you cite that they still need police protection to keep supply lines open. That’s where I think you’re wrong. They want to experiment being their own country? Fine. You can’t use US currency. You’ll have to pay tariffs and taxes on imports. Figure out your own supply lines. A society that doesn’t produce anything won’t last very long.
Property owners that are trapped by this insurrection (and it is an insurrection) can sue the city for allowing it to happen.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:27 am to Gtmodawg
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Better yet is to simply ignore them....they aren't revolutionaries
You’re an idiot.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:30 am to Gtmodawg
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but it also makes the point that the property owner indeed did not "build that"
Do you think any of those retards built anything? Just from the literal sense, I doubt there is one single person in that group of loons that has ever even wired up a light fixture, much less a carpenter.
Productive, successful individuals built Seattle into the nice city it was for their own personal gain. "you didnt build that" is correct. Some far smarter, more driven, hard working person built that. A community didnt build jack shite
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:30 am to bluestem75
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I think that’s exactly what the President is doing. Besides, he can’t bring the NG or military in without request from the Governor.
I don't believe that to be true, see Constitution Art. 4 Clause 4, further codified in 10 USC 253.
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Property owners that are trapped by this insurrection (and it is an insurrection) can sue the city for allowing it to happen.
Unless the State government has provided a statutory path, no they can't, generally speaking, although I can't say I have read every State Constitution.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 8:32 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:32 am to Gtmodawg
STFU and go join them. Commie bull shite
Too bad about private property? Piss off.
They are telling you they are revolutionaries and you are too dumb to believe them.
Too bad about private property? Piss off.
They are telling you they are revolutionaries and you are too dumb to believe them.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 8:37 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:36 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Unless the State government has provided a statutory path, no they can't, generally speaking, although I can't say I have read every State Constitution.
Then they file in Federal Court.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:38 am to Gtmodawg
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The right as lost its mind
I don't think the right are the ones that have gone batshit crazy in this circumstance.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:38 am to Gtmodawg
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Better yet is to simply ignore them
How about, no. You never allow this type of bullshite to happen, ever. How about send in the military and end all of this bullshite now.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:39 am to bluestem75
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Then they file in Federal Court.
A person can file anywhere they want but there is no path for recovery, generally speaking the State doesn't have an obligation to protect you or your assets from third parties destruction.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:39 am to Gtmodawg
Utopia always gets overrun by warlords who steal their women. In this instance...I think these weirdos are safe.
But seriously, they are idiots who’s parents should have spanked them.
But seriously, they are idiots who’s parents should have spanked them.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:42 am to Gtmodawg
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I know many of you would like nothing better than federal troops marching and gunning the protestors down like vermin.
What I would really like to see is the mayor and governor restore law and order. I do not see the need for Title 10 troops here, especially given the size of the WAARNG at the governor's disposal here.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:42 am to Gtmodawg
quote:I wish you had a business in there. You might have a different opinion.
Gtmodawg
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:43 am to Gtmodawg
This statement is wrong on so many levels . Can and should are two different thoughts on The military being used here . If the are considered a domestic threat then the president can tell the state to get the frick out the way . But this could escalate into a bigger issue that just not needed till the shiteshow its more outrageous . If not condemned as a domestic threat then no way should feds military be involved . Now on the other hand fed police organizations can take control of situation and tell locals to stand down but again it should get more negative attention bef Trump authorizes that .
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:44 am to bluestem75
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Ironically, you cite that they still need police protection to keep supply lines open. That’s where I think you’re wrong. They want to experiment being their own country? Fine. You can’t use US currency. You’ll have to pay tariffs and taxes on imports. Figure out your own supply lines. A society that doesn’t produce anything won’t last very long.
Obviously you are 100% correct...but I made the point about the police because that seems to be the gist of their issue and the quote I added was about being able to function without police.
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Property owners that are trapped by this insurrection (and it is an insurrection) can sue the city for allowing it to happen.
True and a damned shame no doubt. The city and the state taxpayers are liable for the damages because it is those individuals who allow the sad state of police departments to exist in the first place....we ask police to do a near impossible job for a meager salary and then provide them with minimal support. Those property owners were as satisfied with the status quo on that front as most of us are....but we shouldn't be...we should realize the police or as important as health care for the survival of the individual.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:45 am to Gtmodawg
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The city and the state taxpayers are liable for the damages because it is those individuals who allow the sad state of police departments to exist in the first place
The State is not liable unless the State provided a statutory path for a liability to occur, if these were State actors, possibly a "taking suit" via Constitution or codified from "taking", but in this case they are third parties.
Motion to Dismiss for failure to state a claim in which relief can be granted comes to mind. <-----
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:46 am to chateaublanc
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Do you think any of those retards built anything? Just from the literal sense, I doubt there is one single person in that group of loons that has ever even wired up a light fixture, much less a carpenter. Productive, successful individuals built Seattle into the nice city it was for their own personal gain. "you didnt build that" is correct. Some far smarter, more driven, hard working person built that. A community didnt build jack shite
You are simply wrong my friend....the individuals who are carpenters are members of the community...man is a social animal...we can't have nice things in a vacuum because man is also a violent predator and will take whatever is needed to survive if there aren't barricades to his doing so...and that barricade is a community of somewhat like minded individuals.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:47 am to Gtmodawg
Has a power vacuum ever not been sucked up by an awful person? Outside of when an outside power helps.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:47 am to Gtmodawg
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If you ruin their futures by either shooting them or crippling them or charging them with the crimes they are no doubt guilty of some will become sure enough problems we will have to deal with time and again
So if the futures of these "people with time on their hands" get ruined, it's in no way their own fault? Typical no accountability mindset of the left.
Also, to think that not holding people accountable for crimes that they are no doubt guilty of means that they won't become a problem in the future is absolutely idiotic.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 8:48 am to Gtmodawg
Cell phone scanning of the entire area. Cross reference with federal and state benefits. Suspend them to anyone who is not an actual resident or business owner.
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