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re: Searching for Capitalism in the Wreckage of Globalization. How we distorted free trade.

Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:46 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 11:46 am to
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I pretty much stopped here:
Fair enough.
We should add that "globalization" dates to origins of the cold war, the ultimate goal being to crush Communists economically.

Among western capitalist economies, the US was in a far better position to consume. Europe and Japan needed to rebuild industries. Western interests dictated that, rather than flooding those economies with US exports (something we were fully capable of as a completely intact and vast economy), we should allow competing economies to asymmetrically tariff US exports as a component of their rebuild. Unfortunately, 80yrs on, those countries continue to expect the favor.

With asymmetric tariffs, subsidies, and tax policy (e.g., VATs), the concept of free trade is farcical.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 12:13 pm to
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With asymmetric tariffs, subsidies, and tax policy (e.g., VATs), the concept of free trade is farcical.


I don't think I've ever mentioned "free trade". I don't know how you would even achieve it, because nations are going to figure out the best tax strategy to fund their government. That may or may not include tariffs.

Ideally you could at least get a reciprocal policy for certain products or governments, but you're never going to achieve it globally.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 12:25 pm to
I just don’t see how the math changes if the bounded economy is the US AND Canada. And if it works for that, then it should work for the US, Canada, and Mexico. And you can keep adding countries until you have the entire world.

I also don’t believe Adam Smith meant that we should literally trade some of our products for another country’s without using currency. When we use currency, or gold, or any such thing, to buy foreign made products we are in effect trading our products, because selling our products is how we got the currency.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 12:33 pm to
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With asymmetric tariffs, subsidies, and tax policy (e.g., VATs), the concept of free trade is farcical.

If other countries want to tax their own people via tariffs, let them.

The only argument I’ve seen that I can agree with in favor of tariffs is to artificially prop up key manufacturing sectors that would be necessary for defense production in a wartime scenario involving China.

There is no realistic scenario where placing huge tariffs on imported cars from Europe, Japan, Canada or Mexico results in a lasting buildup of manufacturing jobs in the US. If everyone got on the same page to build up that capacity tomorrow, it would take 3-4 years to get new factories up and running (at best), and by then it will be election season, presumably following three more years of inflationary economic policy with the incumbent party at a major disadvantage.

Nevermind the foolishness of putting significant tariffs on Canadian lumber in the middle of a housing affordability crisis.
This post was edited on 3/28/25 at 12:37 pm
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