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re: SCOTUS strikes down Arkansas attempt to treat same sex parents differently
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:49 pm to TerryDawg03
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:49 pm to TerryDawg03
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Doctor? No.
Why not? Your only requirement was that two men be able to reproduce on their own. Clearly, a couple that cannot reproduce without the doctor's help would fall in the same category.
More importantly, I'm curious as to why this even bothers you?
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Why not? Your only requirement was that two men be able to reproduce on their own. Clearly, a couple that cannot reproduce without the doctor's help would fall in the same category.
More importantly, I'm curious as to why this even bothers you?
Because it's impossible for two people of the same sex to conceive. Again, let me know when two men can biologically have a child and I'll be fine with listing them as the biological parents.
A couple that required a fertility specialist to conceive is nowhere near the same as two people of the same sex trying to conceive.
Despite the hurt feelings, 2+2 still does not equal 5, and science does not allow two men to conceive. People need to live in reality.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:31 pm to Toddy
How does a same sex couple have a biological kid? It's impossible.
The one carrying the baby is a biological parent but if they used an anonymous sperm donor then the spouse is not a biological parent. More of a step parent
I can see the rationality of not putting both on the certificate but honestly this is not an issue that affects me so whatever
The one carrying the baby is a biological parent but if they used an anonymous sperm donor then the spouse is not a biological parent. More of a step parent
I can see the rationality of not putting both on the certificate but honestly this is not an issue that affects me so whatever
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:34 pm to FooManChoo
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The documents should list the biological parents and if Arkansas was listing others who weren't biological parents, that should be the problem,
Well, it's not just Arkansas, every state does it similarly. I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding by some on this board on what information a birth certificate is supposed to contain.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:47 pm to Toddy
My only issue with this is this:
Lets say a woman marries a man and has a baby. Then they get divorced. The woman collects child support from the dad listed on the birth certificate. If she remarries to a woman, and they want the new "dad" listed on the certificate, shouldnt this absolve any ties to the biological dad paying child support?
Lets say a woman marries a man and has a baby. Then they get divorced. The woman collects child support from the dad listed on the birth certificate. If she remarries to a woman, and they want the new "dad" listed on the certificate, shouldnt this absolve any ties to the biological dad paying child support?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:36 pm to TerryDawg03
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Because it's impossible for two people of the same sex to conceive.
So what. It's impossible for some people of the opposite sex to conceive. It began as a terrible point, and neither time nor any of your arguments have made it better.
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Again, let me know when two men can biologically have a child and I'll be fine with listing them as the biological parents.
Again, this is irrelevant, as pointed out a few times in this thread.
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A couple that required a fertility specialist to conceive is nowhere near the same as two people of the same sex trying to conceive.
For your point, it'll do.
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Despite the hurt feelings, 2+2 still does not equal 5, and science does not allow two men to conceive.
Seems your "side" has the hurt feelings here.
Also,
at your use of science. 
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:41 pm to Toddy
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Toddy
Unicorn/Not Real Issues Board
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:06 pm to skrayper
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Only problem with that thinking is that a lot of laws will have to be changed that grant privileges to parents listed on birth certificates. Lots of states have laws that allow for fathers to be granted parental rights to a child based on being on the birth certificate.
Why do we have to be 3 pages deep in this thread before seeing this mentioned? It is an important point that needs to be considered.
20 plus posts of character assassination and the same type of dramatic bs that the same posters accuse "leftist" progressives every day on this site. Some of you need to get a grip and learn how to partake in civil discourse.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:14 pm to Toddy
I think you may be able to change the parents name on a birth certificate in some states if the biological mother wants it done
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:18 pm to GEAUXT
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You do realize two gays can't make a baby, right?
That's not entirely true. You need to add same sex to that sentence.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:21 pm to SouthernHog
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Same sex people have a mental disorder.
That assertion was debunked years ago.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:27 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Seems your "side" has the hurt feelings here.
Also,
My feelings aren't hurt; I'm not part of the group that calls people bigots because they acknowledge truth: specifically, in this case that truth being that a same sex couple cannot biologically conceive a child and as such a birth certificate shouldn't list them both as biological parents.
When will people want amended birth certificates because they identify as the opposite gender than the sex listed on their birth certificate? I'd imagine that lawsuit isn't far off now that people are acknowledging this nonsense.
Reality is where I draw the line, plain and simple. If people want to deny it and live with their heads stuck in the sand by playing make believe, so be it. It doesn't make it real; it just discredits the reliability of birth certificates for everyone else.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:34 pm to TerryDawg03
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My feelings aren't hurt
Your whimpering in this thread indicates otherwise, but fair enough. Glad to hear it.
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same sex couple cannot biologically conceive a child and as such a birth certificate shouldn't list them both as biological parents
You keep saying this like it matters. This has been covered already.
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When will people want amended birth certificates because they identify as the opposite gender than the sex listed on their birth certificate?
The answer to that is the easiest yet.
Who cares.
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Reality is where I draw the line, plain and simple.
Odd, considering reality is that this almost certainly has no impact on you and it's none of your business.
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