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Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:45 am to LSU2ALA
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I agree that is a correct reading of the text of the law.
Then why did the people who wrote the law not enforce it the way you think it reads?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:45 am to LSU2ALA
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Title VII clearly prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex among other things. In this case, Gorsuch wrote if you have two employees, male and female, who are identical in every way and they both date a man, then it is not allowed to fire the man for that. The reasoning is you have no problem with the woman doing the same thing so you are taking the employee’s sex into account which is not allowed.
I have to say this makes sense from a textual interpretation standpoint, regardless of thoughts on what the outcome is.
I don't really think it is textual, though. At least not if you are looking at it from the originalist/strict constructionist point of view that Justice Gorsuch is supposed to hold. A strict constructionist, say someone like Justice Scalia, would argue that the task of providing a more broader definition for who Title VII applies to should go to Congress. It's Congress' job to make changes to it. Until then, Title VII should be interpreted for exactly what it says.
I understand the argument Gorsuch makes, but it draws lines that we don't know Congress intended to draw themselves when they made the law.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 7:47 am
Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:45 am to the808bass
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So? Your opinion is meaningless. As is all of ours.
It’s whatever outcome the Supreme Court wants. That’s what we’ll get.
That is true at the end of the day. The whole point of my starting this was to discuss the textual aspect of the decision and how I believe that it was correct from that analysis.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:47 am to Flats
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Then why did the people who wrote the law not enforce it the way you think it reads?
Because they didn’t understand it that way doesn’t change the fact it says what it says.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:48 am to LSU2ALA
Thanks for the discussion everyone. I’ve got to go but I have enjoyed it.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:48 am to LSU2ALA
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Because they didn’t understand it that way
Go on...
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doesn’t change the fact it says what it says.
Oh. Never mind.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:48 am to LSU2ALA
Interpretation should have been plain old sex discrimination. The employee on question was clearly fired for being female.
LGBT is a separate category (actually two separate categories) from biological sex.
LGBT is a separate category (actually two separate categories) from biological sex.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:49 am to LSU2ALA
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How do you know they are the same without establishing what the individual sexes are?
How do I know a two 2 shapes with 4 equidistant sides and 90 degree angles are the same without knowing they are squares?
Regardless, knowing the sex isn’t a problem, it’s applying different standards to each sex that is the problem.
Requiring your employees engage in only heterosexual activity is treating people of each sex exactly the same. It’s not Discriminatory oN the basis of sex. Because the homogenous nature of the sexual relationship is the driver of the policy. The definition is homosexuality isn’t it?
Not dudes-with-dudes-uality
Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:49 am to LSU2ALA
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Because they didn’t understand it that way doesn’t change the fact it says what it says.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:02 am to LSU2ALA
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How do you know they are the same without establishing what the individual sexes are?
This really isn't difficult, under the statute, if someone is gay they don't fall into the statute. Now, if an employer is discriminating based on the gay person being male but not female there is a problem, whether they have sex or whom is irrelevant.
It would be the same as saying they can't fire a person for being in the KKK or BLM because it involves a race.
This really isn't difficult, they rewrote a statute that doesn't say what they say it says... not at all.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 8:04 am
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:05 am to MMauler
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Alito completely f*cking destroyed this attempted hypothetical in his dissent.
No he didn't He just said stuff you agree with and fits your political leaning.
It's the same fallacy as Tucker Carlson "destroyed" hannity "destroyed". anytime I hear that I know some (insert figure that agrees with person) said some stuff that person likes and they got a political boner over it.
It boils down to different interpretations of the law as written. Just so happens the interpretation you like lost.
That's how the supreme court works. Been like that forever. Sorry you hate the constitution when it doesn't benefit you.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:05 am to mindbreaker
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It boils down to different interpretations of the law as written. Just so happens the interpretation you like lost. That's how the supreme court works. Been like that forever. Sorry you hate the constitution when it doesn't benefit you.
But this doesn't involve the Constitution.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 8:07 am
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:06 am to mindbreaker
Great post.
I lied. It wasn’t.
I lied. It wasn’t.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:08 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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But this doesn't involve the Constitution.
explain to me how the supreme court is not in the constitution
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:08 am to mindbreaker
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No he didn't He just said stuff you agree with and fits your political leaning.
It's the same fallacy as Tucker Carlson "destroyed" hannity "destroyed". anytime I hear that I know some (insert figure that agrees with person) said some stuff that person likes and they got a political boner over it.
It boils down to different interpretations of the law as written. Just so happens the interpretation you like lost.
That's how the supreme court works. Been like that forever. Sorry you hate the constitution when it doesn't benefit you.
fricking relativism sucks. Such a bankrupt ideology.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:08 am to mindbreaker
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explain to me how the supreme court is not in the constitution
Yes, the One Court is in the Constitution but the issue before it was not a constitutional one.
They rewrote a statute, under the logic they constructed... not sure how one could fire someone that is in the KKK, BLM, etc.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 8:11 am
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:10 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Yes, the One Court is in the Constitution but the issue before it was not a constitutional one.
I was referring to the court make up, power structure, and voting procedures. There is a lot of shite that goes before the supreme court not specifically in the constitution.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:10 am to Mo Jeaux
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fricking relativism sucks. Such a bankrupt ideology.
It's not hard to understand why they love it, though. If they win at the ballot box, great. If they lose, there's a good chance that eventually the judiciary will create the policies they wanted anyway.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:11 am to mindbreaker
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I was referring to the court make up, power structure, and voting procedures. There is a lot of shite that goes before the supreme court not specifically in the constitution.
Oh agree there, the process is not in the Constitution but the process to come up with the process is.
This is a very poor decision, whether someone like the conclusion or not because it simply doesn't say what it says.
I read this to mean that people can't be discriminated by anything to do with race, sex, etc.
So, if an employee that likes to have sex with dogs... well, you can't rid of them that involves sex. If an employee is a member of Black Power, sorry, that has to do with race. If an employee hates women, sorry, that has to do with sex again.
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 8:16 am
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