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re: Scottish Report indicates Vaccine ineffective Against Delta
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:12 pm to RiverCityTider
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:12 pm to RiverCityTider
From your own link:
This is where we ignore parts of an article we don’t like.
quote:
These figures reflect the impact of high virus prevalence in the community - not that the vaccines do not work.
Fully vaccinated patients are disproportionately older and more likely to have underlying health conditions which mean that, if they do become infected, they are much more likely to require hospital care.
Without vaccines, admissions in this demographic would be much higher and substantially outnumber those among younger, healthy patients.
The vaccines also cannot provide 100% protection against infection. Analysis by PHS and Edinburgh University indicates that two dose of the Pfizer vaccine reduce the likelihood of symptomatic infection by 83%, and AstraZeneca by 61%.
Both reduce the risk of hospitalisation and death by more than 90%
This is where we ignore parts of an article we don’t like.
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Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:17 pm to Tiguar
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This is where we ignore parts of an article we don’t like.
Lol
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:19 pm to Tiguar
In the US, the Delta variant is responsible for 83% of new infections. The article blames Delta for the vaccine failure rate.
Are you saying the CDC's statement that 98% of hospitalizations in the US are unvaccinated is at all true?
YES OR NO
Are you saying the CDC's statement that 98% of hospitalizations in the US are unvaccinated is at all true?
YES OR NO
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:21 pm to RiverCityTider
In five years people that didn’t take the vaccine are going to look like geniuses
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:25 pm to RiverCityTider
The CDC is wrong about a lot of things. Claiming the CDC is wrong or lying about covid is a pretty safe roll.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:30 pm to Tiguar
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Fully vaccinated patients are disproportionately older and more likely to have underlying health conditions which mean that, if they do become infected, they are much more likely to require hospital care.
Without vaccines, admissions in this demographic would be much higher and substantially outnumber those among younger, healthy patients.
And as far as this BS goes, it propaganda. I mean sure it's true that older people are more likely vacinated. So that will skew the pct vacinated up.
So are you prepared to say it doesn't work for old people?
Then they state that the admissions "would be greater" if not for the vaccines. Are they telepathic? How do they know what the gross numbers would be without vaccines?
But regardless if all this, the only claim I made was that the CDC claim that 98% of hospitalizations in the US are non vacinated is absolutely a lie. And that you cannot deny.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:34 pm to RiverCityTider
Yes of course, the sentence in the article describing infections is a legit window into reality and the rest is propaganda.
Wouldn’t it be easier to just omit percentages of hospitalized if their intent was to obfuscate?
Or just not even publish the article?
It’s a balanced article discussing successes and failures. The take home point is the vaccine is not a silver bullet but it’s not ineffective. You decide to interpret that as “the vaccine doesn’t work” because of some underlying insecurity.
Wouldn’t it be easier to just omit percentages of hospitalized if their intent was to obfuscate?
Or just not even publish the article?
It’s a balanced article discussing successes and failures. The take home point is the vaccine is not a silver bullet but it’s not ineffective. You decide to interpret that as “the vaccine doesn’t work” because of some underlying insecurity.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:35 pm to Tiguar
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Claiming the CDC is wrong or lying about covid is a pretty safe roll.
How sad is it that this is where we are?
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:37 pm to Tiguar
Is the CDC claim that 98% of admissions are non vacinated possible?
Yes or no?
Yes or no?
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:53 pm to RiverCityTider
What does the CDC have to do with the Scottish Article 
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:56 pm to weadjust
The CDC claims 98% of Covid patients admitted to hospitals in the US are non-vaccinated.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:57 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
Not 100% effective sure… but if the effectiveness is significantly less than 100%, why take the fricking thing considering potential side effects?
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:58 pm to RiverCityTider
I know it’s like that in Ville platte.
If your vaccinated, you’re not a priority because you have a better shot at beating it.
If your vaccinated, you’re not a priority because you have a better shot at beating it.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 7:59 pm to RiverCityTider
The "vaccines" were a scam from start to finish. They were never effective for anything but scamming Uncle Sam out of millions. Now that the failure can't be ignored, we have the Delta variant. We've been had and it's time to face that reality. Maybe criminal charges should be lodged against Pfizer, Moderna and J &J for fraud at the least, possibly homicide as well.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 8:00 pm to FlyingTiger1955
I guess you didn’t read the article
Posted on 8/1/21 at 8:09 pm to thermal9221
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I know it’s like that in Ville platte.
If your vaccinated, you’re not a priority because you have a better shot at beating it.
I keep hearing this. But there is no data I can find. I know in Israel, there are four patients in grave condition. All four are vacinated.
You would think hospital admissions should all be consider serious.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 9:34 pm to Tiguar
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because of some underlying insecurity.
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Claiming the CDC is wrong or lying about covid is a pretty safe roll.
Just pointing out that people have a reason to be skeptical.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 9:45 pm to teke184
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Not 100% effective sure… but if the effectiveness is significantly less than 100%, why take the fricking thing considering potential side effects?
At this point, none of the data is either useful or can be relied upon. We're in no man's land, everyone has to figure it out for themselves.
- the government can't be trusted
- the cdc can't be trusted
- the medical industry can't be trusted
- the media can't be trusted
- the big tech companies can't be trusted
Even some foreign data, if you believe can be trust is limited in nature.
They have created a fubar situation.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:34 pm to Dawgfanman
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Need to know percentage of population vaccinated vs not,
No we don't. Because when we got the vaccine, we were told ...
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On March 29, CDC Director Walensky stated, "Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick. And that it's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real world data. Data have emerged again that [demonstrate] that even if you were to get infected during post vaccination that you can't give it to anyone else."
So the number of hospital admits for the vaccinated should be 0%, based on what they were selling us to get the country vaccinated. 0%!!
Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:11 pm to RiverCityTider
But I was told the vaccine is better than natural immunity because the vaccine codes against the spike protein which makes the virus what it is.
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