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re: Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God--WSJ--Eric Metaxas
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:43 pm to mahdragonz
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:43 pm to mahdragonz
quote:Strike one
Jesus Christ.
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Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:44 pm to Hester Carries
quote:Strike two
What race?
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Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:44 pm to NC_Tigah
Any others?
Posted on 1/1/15 at 11:53 pm to Revelator
quote:Lots of things are bizarre. Belief that Mormons aren't Christian is bizarre. Talking in tongues is bizarre. Conceptualizing transubstantiation is bizarre. All rites of belief I guess
but I assure you their beliefs are bizarre
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:10 am to NC_Tigah
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Lots of things are bizarre. Belief that Mormons aren't Christian is bizarre. Talking in tongues is bizarre. Conceptualizing transubstantiation is bizarre. All rites of belief I guess
Rev thinking that his orthodox christian views are less bizare then the mormons and their spirit babies.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:07 am to NC_Tigah
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While premarital sex is considered sinful by the rabbinic community, the rabbis also recognize the human desire for sexual interaction. Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman is to be reserved for their union upon marriage when they become one with God.
Amazing how you didn't include the next paragraph. A little intellectual honesty.
In biblical times, a man was not prohibited from having sexual relations with a woman, as long as it led to marriage. The Bible never explicitly states a woman and man may not have sexual intercourse prior to marriage; therefore, no sanction was imposed for premarital sex, but it was considered a violation of custom.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:07 am to asurob1
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Rev thinking that his orthodox christian views are less bizare then the mormons and their spirit babies.
Even Rob knows about the Mormon's spirit babies, holy underwear, inhabiting their own planets, etc. They are one step away from the Hale Bop cult. How can anyone thing they are Christian?
P.S. AsuRob, anyone that let's their wife sleep around with other men and is fine with it needs never to talk about someone else and their mental capacity because you are seriously fricked in the head!
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 1:38 am
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:48 am to Revelator
I really don't seen how what mormons believe is more "bizarre" than transubstantiation, God in the form of man casting demons into a pig or the belief that a man lived in the belly of a fish for three days. Further from Biblical orthodoxy? Yeah, but hardly more bizarre.
The absurdity of religious claims are not judged by rational measures but rather by how different they are from what one has been taught.
The absurdity of religious claims are not judged by rational measures but rather by how different they are from what one has been taught.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:01 am to Roger Klarvin
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I really don't seen how what mormons believe is more "bizarre" than transubstantiation, God in the form of man casting demons into a pig or the belief that a man lived in the belly of a fish for three days. Further from Biblical orthodoxy? Yeah, but hardly more bizarre.
It's less about how bizarre it is and more about how wrong it is biblically.
The divinity of Jesus as God is paramount to Christian theology and is what sets it apart from every other religion. Most of the major religions and cults acknowledge Jesus as a great teacher, man and even some, a prophet, but not God.
To deny Jesus his divinity makes him a mere man, and if a man, he too would be born with original sin and in need of a savior. This isn't some little theological point, but the building block of Christianity. Jesus the Christ being the chief cornerstone on which the house of God is built.
1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
The bible says Jesus is God.
The Mormons say he isn't.
This is very plain.
And for the record, I don't believe in transubstantiation and think it's every bit as weird as the Mormon's Holy underwear.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 5:16 am
Posted on 1/2/15 at 7:49 am to Revelator
What makes Christianity different from every other religion is that Jesus is Savior. Anything different is counterfeit.
The Bible has over 40 authors, over 60 books, and written over 1500 years. All of it points to one central target. There are over 400 prophecies Jesus fulfilled that were prophesized over 800 years earlier.
Mormanism came from one author in the 1800's
The Koran came from one author over 3 centuries after Jesus died.
I report - you digest.
The Bible has over 40 authors, over 60 books, and written over 1500 years. All of it points to one central target. There are over 400 prophecies Jesus fulfilled that were prophesized over 800 years earlier.
Mormanism came from one author in the 1800's
The Koran came from one author over 3 centuries after Jesus died.
I report - you digest.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:19 am to BestStop
I don't get it. We already had this EXACT OP posted by Revelator along with a long thread that for some odd reason got whacked.
Then, 1 week later, it gets posted again and goes 17 unwhacked pages?
WTF?
Then, 1 week later, it gets posted again and goes 17 unwhacked pages?
WTF?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:21 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Meh. I'm atheist but I think Mormons calling themselves "Christians" is bizarre.
Lots of things are bizarre. Belief that Mormons aren't Christian is bizarre.
I mean sure, they'll tell you they "worship Christ" but then, their description of Christ bears almost non resemblance to Christ.
It would be like me telling a guy who loves steak....."I love steak too.....I especially love that white creamy texture and how it almost tastes like chocolate with a bit of peanut butter in it".
Posted on 1/2/15 at 9:02 am to ShortyRob
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I mean sure, they'll tell you they "worship Christ" but then, their description of Christ bears almost non resemblance to Christ.
Yeah, maybe NC is Mormon, I don't know? Or maybe someone close to him is?
Believing that one can inhabit his own planet, become a God and seed new worlds with spiritual babies is certainly incompatible with the teachings of Jesus.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 9:11 am to Revelator
quote:Hence, why I use examples such as I did.
Believing that one can inhabit his own planet, become a God and seed new worlds with spiritual babies is certainly incompatible with the teachings of Jesus.
What if someone said they "knew" ShortyRob? Then, they followed that with, "yeah, he's 6'4", 230. Pretty sure he played MLB in High school, is a devout Christian and thinks Les Miles is a great offensive mind".
Everyone in here would say, "um, that's not ShortyRob or if it is, it's not the ShortyRob we're talking about".
Basically, what Mormons did was create an entirely NEW person but slapped the Jesus name on him and called themselves Christians.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/2/15 at 10:41 am to BestStop
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What makes Christianity different from every other religion is that Jesus is Savior. Anything different is counterfeit.
First of all that just isn't true. Multiple religions throughout history involved a savior figure.
Second, even if this were true, why would it mean Christianity was the true religion? There are multiple things which are unique to any religion.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:03 pm to ShortyRob
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I don't get it. We already had this EXACT OP posted by Revelator along with a long thread that for some odd reason got whacked.
Then, 1 week later, it gets posted again and goes 17 unwhacked pages?
WTF?
surprised me too...I think the admins were distracted by football.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:06 pm to BestStop
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What makes Christianity different from every other religion is that Jesus is Savior. Anything different is counterfeit.
In your opinion.
Every religion thinks they are the one...including the more culty ones like scientologist.
It is Christian hubris that makes them think there version of a deity is the winner as you have shown here. (To be fair since everyone thinks their religion worships the right god, every religion suffers from the same arrogance).
My belief that Odin is the one true god is just as valid as your belief in your various god mythos.
sorry to rain on your parade.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:25 pm to asurob1
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My belief that Odin is the one true god is just as valid as your belief in your various god mythos.
You belief that Odin is the one true god is a better position than the position there is definitely no God.
If you believe all the universe was spontaneously created from nothing then why would not be open to the idea a supreme being caused it?? Just think of the mind boggling things that happened---give those incredible things is it really a stretch to be open to idea of God?
I can understand having doubt but I can't understand definitively declaring there is no God. It just not an intellectually logical declaration.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:35 pm to I B Freeman
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You belief that Odin is the one true god is a better position than the position there is definitely no God.
He was merely making a point. Only idiots deal in absolutes when it comes to the unknown, and that gibberish is spewed from both sides.
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If you believe all the universe was spontaneously created from nothing then why would not be open to the idea a supreme being caused it?? Just think of the mind boggling things that happened---give those incredible things is it really a stretch to be open to idea of God?
In my personal experience, most "non-religious" are open to the idea of being deist, but it's a moot point because it's out of the realm of our (human) understanding anyway.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
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What makes Christianity different from every other religion is that Jesus is Savior. Anything different is counterfeit
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First of all that just isn't true. Multiple religions throughout history involved a savior figure.
I believe the poster was referring to Jesus specifically being Savior and not meaning in the generic sense that other faiths don't have "savior" figures. I could be wrong, but that was how I read his post...
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