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re: Scalise, Supremacist Conv., David Duke, Stormfront.com... has all the characters

Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:05 am to
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:05 am to
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One speech. Is there a pattern of racism in Scalise's votes or other actions.

Even the lone La Democrat in Congress an African American, Cedric Richmond, said that he and Scalise have worked for years together and that Scalise has not one racist bone in his body.

So I'm taking all the things Scalise has done over the years, and putting it up against one speech, and I'm supposed to conclude that he's some sort of White Supremacist?

One speech on taxes, not like it was even any social issues.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83369 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:06 am to
You can't call someone stupid when using graphs based on "author's analysis" that come from a progressive website.

It's comparing tax cuts to a failed jobs program and calling it all tax cuts.

Thats, um, pretty fricking dumb.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
84096 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:06 am to
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Certainly Jeremiah Wright has some prejudicial, hateful, and inflammatory filth that spews from his mouth. Some of it is based on something, maybe his own experiences, who knows. He is definitely a divisive, angry person.

David Duke is not a divisive, angry person. He doesn't rely on hateful rhetoric or anger-laced speeches to stir his base. In a calm and subtle manner he is able to push a simple narrative to those who are willing to listen: That Whites are inherently superior to blacks, and that blacks are inherently inferior.

This is at the pinnacle in defining racism, the inherent belief that your race is superior, and has abilities that exceed that of the other race.


I actually agree with most of your post. David Duke certainly IS a white supremacist while Jeremiah Wright is more of a Black Separatist or a Liberation Theologist. Both ideologies are shite and result in shite and those who support them should be shamed.

However, cynically Pretending that Scalise is somehow a white supremacist is dishonest and desperate. And if that is the criteria we are using, then a 30 minute speech in front of one is certainly trumped by years and years of attending a church with the other. When you attend a church, you are supporting the massage. When you give a speech you are being a politician. Had Obama stumbled in one day, heard the hate, and fled, nobody would give a shite. But he ENDORSED Wright's divisive views for YEARS.

Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:08 am to
I for one love it! Just when Rand Paul tries to show the GOP isn't racist, the truth comes out.

Keep defending hm. PLEASE!
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
Uptown NO,LA
Member since Jan 2013
9739 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:08 am to
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You can't call someone stupid when using graphs based on "author's analysis" that come from a progressive website.

It's comparing tax cuts to a failed jobs program and calling it all tax cuts.

Thats, um, pretty fricking dumb.


Too assume that the one party will raise taxes and another party will not is pretty fricking dumb.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:09 am to
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He wasn't actually at this thing, though, was he?

Sure:
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Scalise, who was a state representative in 2002, said he was speaking to groups and giving interviews that year because he was one of very few members of the Legislature opposed to the so-called Stelly state tax plan.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
107300 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:10 am to
No, Duke.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:11 am to
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quote:

I'm speaking the truth and you can't handle it, there's no hypocrisy here. Franklin Graham is also a racist, but like Farrakhan, he has some redeeming qualities.


Racists that support your position have redeeming qualities.

Racists that don't, don't.

I have no use for Graham or Farrakhan. What made you think I did? Just because I'm willing to give the devil his due if he does something good?
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:11 am to
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No, Duke.

Article says he appeared via video screen.

Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:14 am to
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There's no comparison. You're comparing one speech to decades of exploitation of racial grievances, anger and resentment.

One speech. Is there a pattern of racism in Scalise's votes or other actions.

Even the lone La Democrat in Congress an African American, Cedric Richmond, said that he and Scalise have worked for years together and that Scalise has not one racist bone in his body.

So I'm taking all the things Scalise has done over the years, and putting it up against one speech, and I'm supposed to conclude that he's some sort of White Supremacist?

Well said!
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32320 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:21 am to
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the perception it's a white man's party. 
Senator Tim Scott says frick you.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32320 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:27 am to
You link an opinion piece by that leftist rag and expect me to believe it!

You really are a libtard.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32320 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:30 am to
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Too assume that the one party will raise taxes and another party will not is pretty fricking dumb. 



When was the last time a Republican led Congress or President proposed a tax increase? I'll wait for your answer numbnuts.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:33 am to
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Posted by bhtigerfan
You link an opinion piece by that leftist rag and expect me to believe it!

You really are a libtard.



You're dismissing an articles contents because of the site from which it originates???
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
18841 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:44 am to
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I for one love it! Just when Rand Paul tries to show the GOP isn't racist, the truth comes out.



Play 1 in the Dem playbook -- Race card

when that wears thin they break out Play 2 -- class envy.

Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
Uptown NO,LA
Member since Jan 2013
9739 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:45 am to
Was it not the republicans that wanted let the payroll tax cut expire, thus increasing the taxes on the middle class? Correct me if I am wrong.
Posted by EthanL
Auburn,AL
Member since Oct 2011
6963 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:53 am to
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However, cynically Pretending that Scalise is somehow a white supremacist is dishonest and desperate.


I haven't seen a transcript of the Scalise speech or video, so I wouldn't call him a white supremacist.

As for Obama 'sitting in Rev. Wright's pew for years', I do have a story about these types of sentiments.

On my father's side, down in Gretna, LA I have (had) 5 aunts and 8 uncles (it was 14 siblings in all). As a young child, I had no choice but to be at all the family functions--family reunions, weddings, funerals, etc. Oh, by the way, this is a black family. You can imagine what I was subjected to: 'Whitey' this, and 'whitey' that. Fascinating, and some, hard to believe stories of abuse, discrimination, and conspiracy theories. For me to say that a spirit of distrust was fostered for white people, would be putting it very nicely. My uncles, who built a fairly good portion of Gretna, would talk about everyone from Sherrif Harry Lee to David Duke etc. Their speech was hateful, prejudicial etc, just bad.

As I grew up, and as they died off (my father, 4 uncles, and an aunt), I still sat, and listened respectfully, without joining in, because my views were different. I understood what their hate and anger was based on, and that allowed me to continue to be respectful. They certainly were not my closest associates. I did not spend my every waking minute with them, but I couldn't just forsake/disavow/ disown them either. They were/are family.

I imagine my experience is not unlike many of you who had older relatives unopposed to segregation, and who also had plenty of hate-filled rhetoric spew at the family table, or when playing spades or dominos (maybe spades and dominos is just a black thing??)

Like most politicians, especially one running for president, Obama first tried to explain his relationship with J. Wright. It' was not unlike any relationship we all have with relatives who have prejudicial, hateful views. You still have to own them. They are family.

Only difference is, after several attempts to do just that, to own him, and not his views, he was finally forced to disown him.

Does that make him a racist? Not even close. Does it mean he endorsed hate-filled speech? Not likely. His words and actions show contrary.

That's why I say I have to know exactly what Scalise said to make a determination either way. I think it is highly unlikely he is racist. The difference, the American public vetted this stuff on Obama, and he came out in front of it, several times, before he even won the primary.

This guy has been elected to a position and is about to take his seat, with no one even knowing about this. Not good
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 11:05 am
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 10:55 am to
1. Scalise played the race card when he associated with white supremacists.

2. You are classless thus I can have no envy.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
84096 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 11:05 am to
Nice story.
But definitely not an absolution of Obama for attending that shitty church with that shitty race-agitator for all those years.

Now let me tell you a story. It may blow the collective PT mind. I HATED, DESPISED AND LOATHED EDWIN EDWARDS. I HATED, DESPISED AND LOATHED CLEO FIELDS.

Yet when Edwards ran against DUKE, not only did I vote for Edwards, but I actually helped Edwards (through Fields by coordinating a very specific election-day project) enough that I was invited to the Inaugural and to the Edwin Edwards box at the dome for the Saints wild card game shortly after the election. So strong is my loathing of Duke and that racist mindset. It was the one and ONLY time I EVER voted for a Democrat for a State-wide office.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 12/30/14 at 11:07 am to
Why, oh why would the democrats dig up this info now of all times?

If anyone is surprisd Scalise raised funds from Duke voters, then I suggest you read a book about politics.
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