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re: Satanists seek spot next to Ten Commandments monument on steps of OK's Statehous
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:45 pm to Cruiserhog
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:45 pm to Cruiserhog
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Religious people across this land expect a societal pass when every Sunday they march in droves to participate in dogma that has almost absolutely no evidence to support it where if you just substituted Thor, Zeus, Satan, et al you would be ridiculed in the daily discourse at the office or the State capital
complex in Oklahoma.
I can understand you wanting to opt out of church or not participate in religion which is your choice. What I don't understand is your level of vitriol to those who do? No one is forcing you to participate.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 7:46 pm
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:51 pm to Revelator
lol. Religious people can try to force their beliefs on other people through law, societal pressure, even going door to door to tell you how they are right and you are wrong. But as soon as one non religious person brings anything about religion into question. All of the sudden all religious people immediately revert to saying "Oh, why do you care so much about this!" "Why are you trying to take away my religious freedom" "I can believe whatever I want"
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:56 pm to sabes que
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lol. Religious people can try to force their beliefs on other people through law, societal pressure, even going door to door to tell you how they are right and you are wrong. But as soon as one non religious person brings anything about religion into question. All of the sudden all religious people immediately revert to saying "Oh, why do you care so much about this!" "Why are you trying to take away my religious freedom" "I can believe whatever I want"
I'm not trying to take away your option to question or defend your position. I just want to know why the subject causes such anger in unbelievers.
I suspect I already know, but I'm wanting you guys input.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:07 pm to Revelator
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I'm not trying to take away your option to question or defend your position. I just want to know why the subject causes such anger in unbelievers.
I suspect I already know, but I'm wanting you guys input.
Hmmm. Well I certainly cannot speak for anyone else. But I personally find it a very interesting topic to discuss. Also, think about if you lived in a country where the majority of people were Muslims, or Hindus, or Mormons, and you were constantly bombarded by their rhetoric and their politicians were influenced by these beliefs that were not your own. Just try to imagine that and think about how you might, even though, you don't harbor any feelings of negativity towards any particular individual in your life, you can't help but find the whole thing at least worth questioning and maybe even speaking out against.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:14 pm to sabes que
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Hmmm. Well I certainly cannot speak for anyone else. But I personally find it a very interesting topic to discuss. Also, think about if you lived in a country where the majority of people were Muslims, or Hindus, or Mormons, and you were constantly bombarded by their rhetoric and their politicians were influenced by these beliefs that were not your own. Just try to imagine that and think about how you might, even though, you don't harbor any feelings of negativity towards any particular individual in your life, you can't help but find the whole thing at least worth questioning and maybe even speaking out against.
I don't think an all powerful God would be intimidated by anyone having questions or wanting to know why things happen. I just don't think anyone will receive all the answers in this lifetime.
I also don't appreciate the tone from this board that implies that all Christians are basically illiterate hillbillies that just sit in a pew and accept everything their pastors say. Christians are like any other group represented in society. Some are smarter than others and some have better reasoning and logic skills. I have lots of Christian friends that are very well read individuals and ponder many deep things about the universe, life and death. We all have questions.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:25 pm to sabes que
I, admit, that I should be more open and loving to people of all beliefs. And really, if loving and doing good for other people is what any religion is truly about, then I guess that should be ok.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:27 pm to sabes que
Posted on 1/7/14 at 8:59 pm to Revelator
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No one is forcing you to participate.
the Texas School Board is, the La. School Board is, the Mississippi legislature is, the Oklahoma legislature is, the South Carolina legislature is. Fox News is, Gov Rick Perry and almost all of the Texas representatives do, etc.
When will it be acceptable in this country for a President to be free of having to say 'Im a Christian' and not just be a reasoned, well educated that is capable of leadership. That will never be enough for this country which is a shame and also depreciates this country because its forsakes those in politics that dont submit to religion.
My vitriol comes from knowing that while religious people do alot of good religion is not a force for good. And when people submit their lives to doing good under threat of eternal damnation or being reincarnated as a slug they are doing so out of fear and slavery to absurdities. Freewill doesnt exist in religion, no matter how good you are.. you believe or burn.
That's just crazy to me
Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:16 pm to sabes que
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quote: From your various posts (this being one amongst many), it sure seems to me that you think you have quite a broad swath of earth's humanity "figured out."
One of many posters here who apparently lacks the ability to recognize his own irony.
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What if there is a god and that god rewards free-thinking and the questioning of things, and is dislikes religious people for claiming to know his wants and desires? That would be some shite now wouldn't it.
I suppose, the fact that this post pretty much perfectly illustrates my point, prevents it from being the complete non sequitur it would otherwise be in response to that point. Weird.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 9:37 pm to Cruiserhog
quote:Depends on what you believe. Your one-size-fits-all definitions of both theists and atheists comprise an unfortunate misperception.
no matter how good you are.. you believe or burn.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:12 pm to Cruiserhog
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the Texas School Board is, the La. School Board is, the Mississippi legislature is, the Oklahoma legislature is, the South Carolina legislature is. Fox News is, Gov Rick Perry and almost all of the Texas representatives do, etc.
So these school boards are forcing people to go to church, read bibles and become Christians?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:40 pm to Revelator
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So these school boards are forcing people to go to church, read bibles and become Christians?
really? stop being ridiculously obtuse, you knew exactly what I meant by those examples
and when it gets right down to it, yes every single entity I mentioned has members and participants that are actively engaged in propping up Christianity above others where it ought naught to be done.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:58 pm to Cruiserhog
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really? stop being ridiculously obtuse, you knew exactly what I meant by those examples
I'm not. We live in a free society where one is free to believe what he wants. There is no state sponsored religions forcing you to participate. You act as if you have some guarantee to live in a world where no one group is pushing their views on you? There are many groups doing this and most are not religious in nature.
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:08 pm to Revelator
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I'm not
no where did we discuss 'other' groups. why even mention that.
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There is no state sponsored religions forcing you to participate
again every single entity i listed save Fox news is a government entity with members trying to push a Christian agenda so yes they are forcing people to participate by legislating in favor of Christianity. You just dont want to own it like the politicians that are trying to prevent the Satanist from possessing the same rights as the Christians in Oklahoma.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:14 pm to Cruiserhog
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again every single entity i listed save Fox news is a government entity with members trying to push a Christian agenda so yes they are forcing people to participate by legislating in favor of Christianity. You just dont want to own it like the politicians that are trying to prevent the Satanist from possessing the same rights as the Christians in Oklahoma.
You are equating someone pushing an agenda to someone forcing you to do something. Liberals at state levels do this all the time. And salespeople are always trying to sell me stuff I don't want. I simply tell them no thanks.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 11:33 pm to Revelator
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You are equating
stop thinking of the individual, me or you, in this case and focus moreso on the state or education district.
im not equating, these are laws with religious undertones written into state statutes that govern everyone in that state or school district.
its wholly different than saying no thank you at the store and you know it.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:12 am to oklahogjr
quote:A gross misunderstanding of God that is unfortunately the prevailing view in Western Christianity (which is primarily fundamentalist) and among fundamentalist Atheists.
Why does he need to sacrifice anyone or anything.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:25 am to JazzyJeff
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quote: Why does he need to sacrifice anyone or anything. A gross misunderstanding of God that is unfortunately the prevailing view in Western Christianity (which is primarily fundamentalist) and among fundamentalist Atheists.
You are kidding right?
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
Hebrews 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Hebrews 9:24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Hebrews 10: 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God
Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Romans 5:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,
according to the riches of his grace;
Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1 Peter 1:19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Really the entire book of Hebrews should be read if you doubt this very basic Christian tenant.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 1:41 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:37 am to Revelator
quote:No I'm not. And it is the absurd doctrine that the torture and death of Christ was made in order to appease an angry God that is creating Atheists by the droves.
You are kidding right?
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