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re: Satanists seek spot next to Ten Commandments monument on steps of OK's Statehous
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:16 pm to sabes que
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:16 pm to sabes que
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Why does he need to sacrifice anyone or anything. ALL POWERFUL... Couldn't he simply... forgive.. and leave it at that?
according to my coworker god is not all powerful there's apparently a few things he cannot do.
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:16 pm to Revelator
I am about to have to go take care of some shite. I will leave you with these words from the late, great George Carlin. They are somewhat relevant to this discussion.
"Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors. 'Do this' 'Gimme that' 'I want a new car' 'I want a better job'. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. And I say fine, pray for anything you want. Pray for anything. But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago god made a divine plan. Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice. And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in god's divine plan. What do you want him to do? Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and frick up your plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? 'Well it's god's will. God's will be done.' Fine, but if it gods will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the frick bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me. Couldn't you just skip the praying part and get right to his will? [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]"
"Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors. 'Do this' 'Gimme that' 'I want a new car' 'I want a better job'. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. And I say fine, pray for anything you want. Pray for anything. But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago god made a divine plan. Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice. And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in god's divine plan. What do you want him to do? Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and frick up your plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? 'Well it's god's will. God's will be done.' Fine, but if it gods will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the frick bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me. Couldn't you just skip the praying part and get right to his will? [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]"
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:17 pm to oklahogjr
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according to my coworker god is not all powerful there's apparently a few things he cannot do.
Well that settles it.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:18 pm to sabes que
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They are somewhat relevant to this discussion.
Relevance is not your forte.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:20 pm to sabes que
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They are somewhat relevant to this discussion.
Are we reading the same thread? I have not seen one mention of the topic of personal intercession anywhere at all herein.
I guess you employ a broad definition of "somewhat relevant."
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:35 pm to BBONDS25
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Well that settles it.
He couldnt defeat a tribe with Iron Chariots...Him and one of his fictional characters Judah, in the old testament, caught a beat down.
Judges 1:19
And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Guess he's not all powerful
Religion is so absurd, you really have to be somewhat delusional to be able to wall off the reality of your life and then on the weekends, or worse 5 times a day, commit to believing the utter nonsense thats in the Bible, the Koran, etc etc ad infinitum
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:51 pm to Cruiserhog
Sounds like you have it all figured out. 
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:57 pm to sabes que
You remind me of the guy who calls a coaches show and assures the coach that if he would blitz every play, everything would be fine. The arm chair coach has a very simplistic, unrealistic solution that the coach, who have as very complex and comprehensive understanding of football knows won't work, but he humors the caller anyway before dismissing him and moving on. God doesn't owe anyone an explication for what he does. The term," God" should be self explanatory.
It's obvious by the age of this thread that you went trolling in archives of the poli board past threads to retrieve this only to argue and mock.
It's obvious by the age of this thread that you went trolling in archives of the poli board past threads to retrieve this only to argue and mock.
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4 "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone, 7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 "Or who shut in the sea with doors when it burst out from the womb, 9 when I made clouds its garment and thick darkness its swaddling band, 10 and prescribed limits for it and set bars and doors, 11 and said, 'Thus far shall you come, and no farther, and here shall your proud waves be stayed'? 12 "Have you commanded the morning since your days began, and caused the dawn to know its place, 13 that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It is changed like clay under the seal, and its features stand out like a garment. 15 From the wicked their light is withheld, and their uplifted arm is broken. 16 "Have you entered into the springs of the sea, or walked in the recesses of the deep? 17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you, or have you seen the gates of deep darkness? 18 Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth? Declare, if you know all this. 19 "Where is the way to the dwelling of light, and where is the place of darkness, 20 that you may take it to its territory and that you may discern the paths to its home? 21 You know, for you were born then, and the number of your days is great! 22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, or have you seen the storehouses of the hail, 23 which I have reserved for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war? 24 What is the way to the place where the light is distributed, or where the east wind is scattered upon the earth? 25 "Who has cleft a channel for the torrents of rain and a way for the thunderbolt, 26 to bring rain on a land where no man is, on the desert in which there is no man, 27 to satisfy the waste and desolate land, and to make the ground sprout with grass? 28 "Has the rain a father, or who has begotten the drops of dew? 29 From whose womb did the ice come forth, and who has given birth to the frost of heaven? 30 The waters become hard like stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. 31 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades or loose the cords of Orion? 32 Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth[fn] in their season, or can you guide the Bear with its children? 33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish their rule on the earth? 34 "Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, that a flood of waters may cover you? 35 Can you send forth lightnings, that they may go and say to you, 'Here we are'? 36 Who has put wisdom in the inward parts[fn] or given understanding to the mind?[fn] 37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom? Or who can tilt the waterskins of the heavens, 38 when the dust runs into a mass and the clods stick fast together? 39 "Can you hunt the prey for the lion, or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, 40 when they crouch in their dens or lie in wait in their thicket? 41 Who provides for the raven its prey, when its young ones cry to God for help, and wander about for lack of food?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:58 pm to sabes que
Dp
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 5:59 pm to BBONDS25
non-religious people(for the most part), do not claim to "have it all figured out" quite the contrary. Non-religious people admit just the opposite, that we do not know. There are questions that we do not and maybe can not ever know. It is religious people that claim to have all the answers. They know the mind of the god of the universe. They know that he does not want us to be gay, does not want us to have pre marital sex, does not want us to divorce, does not want us to go into debt, many many very specific things, and most importantly, what we need to do in order to win his eternal favor. So who is it that is claiming to have it all figured out?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:01 pm to Revelator
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It's obvious by the age of this thread that you went trolling in archives of the poli board past threads to retrieve this only to argue and mock.
lol What? I entered this thread on page 8. Someone else fished this thing out of the archives. Do not accuse me of stuff that I am not guilty of.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:02 pm to sabes que
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non-religious people(for the most part), do not claim to "have it all figured out" quite the contrary. on-religious people admit just the opposite, that we do not know. There are questions that we do not and maybe can not ever know. It is religious people that claim to have all the answers. They know the mind of the god of the universe. They know that he does not want us to be gay, does not want us to have pre marital sex, does not want us to divorce, does not want us to go into debt, many many very specific things, and most importantly, what we need to do in order to win his eternal favor. So who is it that is claiming to have it all figured out?
From your various posts (this being one amongst many), it sure seems to me that you think you have quite a broad swath of earth's humanity "figured out."
One of many posters here who apparently lacks the ability to recognize his own irony.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:05 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I do not claim to have it all "figured out" by ANY stretch of the imagination. I just reject the beliefs of anyone who claims that they do.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:14 pm to Revelator
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4 "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone, 7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 "Or who shut in the sea with doors when it burst out from the womb, 9 when I made clouds its garment and thick darkness its swaddling band, 10 and prescribed limits for it and set bars and doors, 11 and said, 'Thus far shall you come, and no farther, and here shall your proud waves be stayed'? 12 "Have you commanded the morning since your days began, and caused the dawn to know its place, 13 that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It is changed like clay under the seal, and its features stand out like a garment. 15 From the wicked their light is withheld, and their uplifted arm is broken. 16 "Have you entered into the springs of the sea, or walked in the recesses of the deep? 17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you, or have you seen the gates of deep darkness? 18 Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth? Declare, if you know all this. 19 "Where is the way to the dwelling of light, and where is the place of darkness, 20 that you may take it to its territory and that you may discern the paths to its home? 21 You know, for you were born then, and the number of your days is great! 22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow, or have you seen the storehouses of the hail, 23 which I have reserved for the time of trouble, for the day of battle and war? 24 What is the way to the place where the light is distributed, or where the east wind is scattered upon the earth? 25 "Who has cleft a channel for the torrents of rain and a way for the thunderbolt, 26 to bring rain on a land where no man is, on the desert in which there is no man, 27 to satisfy the waste and desolate land, and to make the ground sprout with grass? 28 "Has the rain a father, or who has begotten the drops of dew? 29 From whose womb did the ice come forth, and who has given birth to the frost of heaven? 30 The waters become hard like stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. 31 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades or loose the cords of Orion? 32 Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth[fn] in their season, or can you guide the Bear with its children? 33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish their rule on the earth? 34 "Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, that a flood of waters may cover you? 35 Can you send forth lightnings, that they may go and say to you, 'Here we are'? 36 Who has put wisdom in the inward parts[fn] or given understanding to the mind?[fn] 37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom? Or who can tilt the waterskins of the heavens, 38 when the dust runs into a mass and the clods stick fast together? 39 "Can you hunt the prey for the lion, or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, 40 when they crouch in their dens or lie in wait in their thicket? 41 Who provides for the raven its prey, when its young ones cry to God for help, and wander about for lack of food?
I am assuming this is from the Bible?
OK, well this is from the Quran.
"Do they not see that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, and was not wearied by their creation, is Able to give life to the dead? Yes, He surely is Able to do all things. S. 46:33
All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifieth Allah; and He is the Mighty, the Wise. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth; He quickeneth and He giveth death; and He is Able to do all things. He is the First and the Last, and the Outward and the Inward; and He is Knower of all things. He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days; then He mounted the Throne. He knoweth all that entereth the earth and all that emergeth therefrom and all that cometh down from the sky and all that ascendeth therein; and He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah is Seer of what ye do. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and unto Allah (all) things are brought back. S. 57:1-5 Pickthall"
Touche, you used a fictional book, as did I.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:21 pm to BBONDS25
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Sounds like you have it all figured out.
Nope dont have it all fiqured out...I just know I dont need the threat of eternal damnation to do good and be good to others. I dont believe in fairy tales and bronze age myths as a guide to morality when those same myths and tales were written by authors unknown/nomadic sheep herders, later cobbled together by a councils of men seeking to control a burgeoning power, who knew less about the world we live in than an eight grader today and possess the morality of a sociopath.
and now you or some other "Christian" will come back with 'but that's the old testament', and Ill point out the ten commandments are in the old testament and then someone will post 'but Jesus' and then Ill point out that Jesus said, 'I came to fulfil Gods law's not change them', 'keep your slaves', blah blah blah.
21000 children die in abject poverty, abuse, neglect or murder every day on this planet. Now an omnipotent being that cares more about what you do naked than the well being of the innocent is either impotent in that he cant do anything about it or is assuredly evil because he watches and does nothing. Religion is absurd
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:21 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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From your various posts (this being one amongst many), it sure seems to me that you think you have quite a broad swath of earth's humanity "figured out."
One of many posters here who apparently lacks the ability to recognize his own irony.
What if there is a god and that god rewards free-thinking and the questioning of things, and is dislikes religious people for claiming to know his wants and desires? That would be some shite now wouldn't it.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:40 pm to Cruiserhog
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dont believe in fairy tales and bronze age myths
I can almost assure you that you embrace some kind of superstitions and hold to particular creeds or beliefs that are subjective.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 6:52 pm to sabes que
You asserting theists are not free thinking or able to question? Wow
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:25 pm to Revelator
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I can almost assure you that you embrace some kind of superstitions and hold to particular creeds or beliefs that are subjective.
yes there may be things I hold onto for subjective reasons but generally I require evidence or will follow the evidence to an informed opinion, whether its right or wrong I can modify my beliefs with additional insights or findings.
Religious people across this land expect a societal pass when every Sunday they march in droves to participate in dogma that has almost absolutely no evidence to support it where if you just substituted Thor, Zeus, Satan, et al you would be ridiculed in the daily discourse at the office or the State capital complex in Oklahoma.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:31 pm to NC_Tigah
Can we get one of these in Baton Rouge? I would let my child sit on Satan's lap.
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