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re: Satanists seek spot next to Ten Commandments monument on steps of OK's Statehous
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:00 pm to SuperSaint
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:00 pm to SuperSaint
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Yeah and you're in shape!!!!
you motherfricker
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Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you don't think the different styles of Christianity that we see created/evolving are just this?
70 years ago it was a big deal for Catholics to get married again after divorce (or hell, to get divorced)
some Christian churches are marrying gay people now!
you don't see certain factions/churches changing?
I do see your point here. However, I think this is more proof of human's morality developing separately from the church and not because or along with it. How can the true fundamentals of Christianity or any religion ever really change? Either it is a sin to be a homosexual or not? Is it OK to get divorced or not? I think the bible is pretty damn clear on these issues. It is not Christianity that is changing, it is us that are changing, because how can the divinely inspired word of God change? Especially when "He" is the same "yesterday, today, and forever"
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:03 pm to WikiTiger
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I hope they succeed.
You are for a group using the government to push their religious beliefs?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:04 pm to sabes que
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I think this is more proof of human's morality developing separately from the church and not because or along with it.
they change, then religion change, then society changes with the implied permission of religion
the LGBT movement would never have gotten where it has without certain Christian churches supporting them (just like the biggest opponents of the LGBT community are from Christian sects who reject this advancement)
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How can the true fundamentals of Christianity or any religion ever really change? Either it is a sin to be a homosexual or not? Is it OK to get divorced or not? I think the bible is pretty damn clear on these issues.
different interpretations and valuations of different words within the book
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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different interpretations and valuations of different words within the book
Hmm, well I would like to see anyone interpret these verses any way but one.
"9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God" - 1 Corinthians 6:8-10
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Leviticus 18:22
"9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” Matthew 19:9
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:14 pm to sabes que
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What if you say it is Christianity and I say that it is Buddhism, and your neighbor says its Islam
Then one of us is right and the others are not.
The moment you say that no single religion has the truth, you're claiming the knowledge that you say no one can have. Do you see this? Relativism is bogus.
You're free to say and believe whatever you want. But America was founded by Christians. That's why there are symbols of the faith in our culture. Not Buddhism Islam and certainly not satanism.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:17 pm to sabes que
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It is not Christianity that is changing, it is us that are changing,
This is correct.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:17 pm to CJM18
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But America was founded by Christians
Yes, but America isn't a Christian nation.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:21 pm to CJM18
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Then one of us is right and the others are not.
Just mathematically speaking, considering all of the gods and faiths with millions of followers throughout history.... What do you think your chances of being "right" are?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:22 pm to sabes que
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How can the true fundamentals of Christianity or any religion ever really change?
Interestingly, it was Christians that were responsible for ending the slave trade, even though other Christians thought the Bible endorsed slavery. Some think the Holy Spirit moved at the right time to change the hearts of Christians with authority to end slavery.
A similar situation could be happening today with homosexuality.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:25 pm to TK421
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Interestingly, it was Christians that were responsible for ending the slave trade, even though other Christians thought the Bible endorsed slavery. Some think the Holy Spirit moved at the right time to change the hearts of Christians with authority to end slavery.
A similar situation could be happening today with homosexuality.
I am sure that there are thousands of people that lived their entire lives under the abomination that is slavery, that would disagree with your "right time" statement.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:28 pm to TK421
And I am so glad that we have people like you that can interpret for us which parts of the Bible we are suppose to no longer follow. It is truly nice, I don't know what we would do without you. I guess we would just be lost as to which parts the "holy spirit" changed our hearts on and which parts it did not.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:28 pm to sabes que
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I am sure that there are thousands of people that lived their entire lives under the abomination that is slavery, that would disagree with your "right time" statement.
Except ending slavery at other points in history was completely unrealistic. It was a way of life for too long, everyone agrees with that.
You seem to consistently miss that point, however. You stated that Christianity couldn't change, I just showed a concrete example of it changing for the better.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:35 pm to sabes que
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And which God would that be, brother?
The one referenced on my money, and yours.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:39 pm to TK421
"Religion is man-made. Even the men who made it cannot agree on what their prophets or redeemers or gurus actually said or did." - Christopher Hitchens
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:42 pm to SuperSaint
quote:Well, there's a fine intellectual basis for debate.
Yeah and you're in shape!!!!
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SFP's kicking arse and taking names on the legal points in this thread . . . . . pfsssst . . . . . let's try insulting his cyberappearance. Maybe that will work . . . .
This post was edited on 1/7/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:45 pm to sabes que
Do you always appeal to authority when you run out of ideas?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:45 pm to DCRebel
quote:Yes, but America is a nation under God.
Yes, but America isn't a Christian nation.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:55 pm to NC_Tigah
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Yes, but America is a nation under God.
Since the 1950's, that's been in the Pledge of Allegiance... And?
Posted on 1/7/14 at 1:58 pm to DCRebel
quote:Res ipsa loquitur.
Since the 1950's, that's been in the Pledge of Allegiance... And?
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