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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:01 pm to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:01 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
He says he can't know if there's a god, but doesn't believe in one because there is a lack of evidence for one.
But there isn't any evidence that there isn't one, either.
That's my point: Where is the "I don't know either way" option?
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:02 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Agnostic IS the "I don't know" option. But it's not mutually exclusive with belief or lack of belief.
I saw that chart earlier, and disagree with the "does not believe/ believes" binary proposition.
Where is the "I don't know" option?
You can believe in something without knowing it to be true. You can NOT believe in something without knowing it to be false.
I don't believe there's a teapot orbiting the sun, do you? But neither of us can prove there isn't one.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:03 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
Agnostic IS the "I don't know" option.
The way you presented it later, it is the I can't know so I'll believe there isn't because there isn't proof that there is.
*about to go to practice by the way, so if I don't respond, that's where I am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:05 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive. Neither are agnostic and theist. Refer to chart.
Hog, I didn't see a spot on that chart that describes the type of atheists that come on chat boards and call believers names and mock their beliefs even though they can't back up their own beliefs with any verifiable evidence? Where would that chart be?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:10 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:Aside from contrived terminology, I see a chart referencing "belief" in every quadrant.
Refer to chart.
Yet I also see that not a single atheist here is willing to acknowledge that obvious underpinning of belief. Why?
It's a conundrum.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:13 pm to Revelator
quote:
He said his atheism is based on verifiable facts. And since atheism is the belief that there is no God, I'm waiting for him to produce these facts that back up his assertion.
There are certainly more facts to back up the assertion that there is no God than there are facts backing up the assertion that there is. I don't think there is any disputing that fact is there?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:14 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Not much of an admission actually. We don't know. That's a concept foundational to faith.
You're obviously not a Southern Baptist.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:36 pm to genuineLSUtiger
quote:Okay, I admit, that one made me chuckle.
There are certainly more facts to back up the assertion that there is no God than there are facts backing up the assertion that there is. I don't think there is any disputing that fact is there?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 5:56 pm to Hog on the Hill
quote:
Agnostic IS the "I don't know" option.
The atheist can be just as obnoxious as the theist. I laugh at them both.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:03 pm to Revelator
quote:That's in the "you're butthurt" part of the chart. You have to turn your monitor around to see it.
Hog, I didn't see a spot on that chart that describes the type of atheists that come on chat boards and call believers names and mock their beliefs even though they can't back up their own beliefs with any verifiable evidence? Where would that chart be?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:04 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:Cool story bro
The atheist can be just as obnoxious as the theist. I laugh at them both.
But you're one or the other.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:10 pm to Hog on the Hill
You think you will change your mind and accept Christ on your deathbed, Hog?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:21 pm to Revelator
quote:
Hog, I didn't see a spot on that chart that describes the type of atheists that come on chat boards and call believers names and mock their beliefs even though they can't back up their own beliefs with any verifiable evidence? Where would that chart be?
My first interaction with you was an insult thrown my way. Don't go acting like the holier than thou martyr.
And I am not mocking your beliefs.
You can't verify your beliefs. I adhere to verifiable facts.
Capiche?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:22 pm to genuineLSUtiger
quote:
There are certainly more facts to back up the assertion that there is no God than there are facts backing up the assertion that there is
By definitions employed here, there is little discernible "evidence" either way. Origins d/t a cause of deity vs omnipresent mass are wholly unidentifiable, based on current evidence.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:24 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Irrelevant, again. You don't get to determine what kind of free speech nor what is spoiling. Not do you get to determine motives.
Not irrelevant at all. No more irrelevant than a neighbor allowing his St.Benard to take a daily dump on your front walk way because he's jealous of your landscape. As with the display, it is designed to spoil a space, not celebrate something.
There are so many assumptions and strawmen that I'm kind of embarrassed for you.
Stop crying. It is unbecoming.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:30 pm to Porkchop Express
quote:
I adhere to verifiable facts.
How does that "adherence-to-nothing-but-verifiable-facts" approach work in trading stocks, accepting promises, personal relationships, child rearing, etc.?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:33 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
I adhere to verifiable facts.
How does that "adherence-to-nothing-but-verifiable-facts" approach work in trading stocks, accepting promises, personal relationships, child rearing, etc.?
It actually works great.
Thanks for asking.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:34 pm to BuckyBadger
quote:
There are so many assumptions and strawmen that I'm kind of embarrassed for you. Stop crying. It is unbecoming.
+1
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:40 pm to BuckyBadger
quote:What is the motive?
Not do you get to determine motives.
. . . let me guess . . . . you don't have the intellectual curiosity to address the question.
Translated to Cheeseheadese: "Uh, I dunno. Uh, I ain't gonna try ta figure it out. "
quote:Of course I do. Just as do you regarding either the nativity or the pseudosatanist display.
You don't get to determine . . . what is spoiling.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 6:43 pm to genuineLSUtiger
quote:Pretty sure I'll convert to Hinduism on my deathbed.
You think you will change your mind and accept Christ on your deathbed, Hog?
edit: nevermind I'm gonna change that to Norse paganism. I'll see you all in Helgafjell!
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 6:47 pm
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