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re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:57 pm to Revelator
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:57 pm to Revelator
quote:
The only thing that defined atheists is their belief that there is no God
How many times are people going to have to tell you that there is a difference between believing there is no god and not believing in god for you to stop asking this.
I would assume most atheists would say that there isn't enough evidence for a god to believe in it just like there isn't enough evidence for an invisible dragon in my garage for me to believe in it.
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Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:57 pm to DestrehanTiger
This discussion is stupid because beliefs are stupid.
People don't live by beliefs. They live by actions.
It doesn't matter if you believe in germs or not. It's whether you wash your hands that dictates your life.
Lots of people say they believe in god but their actions speak otherwise.
Beliefs are nothing.
Frick, a bunch of athiests might act like they are going to be smited and behave like better people than the filthy things I've seen so called Christians do.
People don't live by beliefs. They live by actions.
It doesn't matter if you believe in germs or not. It's whether you wash your hands that dictates your life.
Lots of people say they believe in god but their actions speak otherwise.
Beliefs are nothing.
Frick, a bunch of athiests might act like they are going to be smited and behave like better people than the filthy things I've seen so called Christians do.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:59 pm to Revelator
quote:The fact that there is no evidence for God. We claim one exists; it's our job to prove it. Not physically; as I understand God, that is intrinsically impossible. But philosophically? Through reasoned argument? Yeah, I think we can prove the existence of God.
And he claims his atheism is backed by facts. I want to know what they are?
He wants some type of physical or scientific evidence. We'll never have that for him, and we'll never have it for us. But it's ludicrous to believe in God based on "faith". That's a ridiculous reason to believe in God. Just awful.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:01 pm to monsterballads
quote:100 years ago there was literally no evidence man could reach the moon.
there's literally no evidence for any gods. I don't know how much more clearer I have to be..
OTOH the evidence is your existence. You are here. The legacy of the matter you are made of is evidence.
What is it's origin?
Either there was infinite existence of inanimate matter, or there was infinite existence of God. One, or the other.
Now you can put your head in the sand, or go into some other intellectual retreat if you'd like. But the bottomline is you exist. The fact of your existence proves origin. The question is at least "how" if not "why"?
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:03 pm to Revelator
quote:There has never been a true scientist that ever believed this. The most ancient of civilizations knew that the earth was round.
Then their were scientist that lived their entire lives from cradle to grave thinking the earth was flat. They never knew anything else, and to them, this was fact. But it wasn't fact.
quote:The difference is that God, by His very nature, is unprovable in any sort of scientific way. You're seeing it from the wrong end; it's not that he'll never be able to prove, scientifically, that God doesn't exist. It's that we'll never be able to prove scientifically that He does.
So to sit here and say that you have facts that God doesn't exist is very naive. You have no such facts and never will.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:04 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
100 years ago there was literally no evidence man could reach the moon
Terrible example.
We knew the moon was there, it was just a matter of figuring out how to reach it.
Now religion is the opposite. It tells you how to reach something it can't possibly know is there.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:05 pm to DestrehanTiger
quote:
How many times are people going to have to tell you that there is a difference between believing there is no god and not believing in god for you to stop asking this. I would assume most atheists would say that there isn't enough evidence for a god to believe in it just like there isn't enough evidence for an invisible dragon in my garage for me to believe in it.
Then this would make them agnostic and not atheist.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:06 pm to Revelator
quote:
I want to separate those things he relies on scientifically from atheism
That's where you missed the boat.
I am not basing this on scientific observations.
You mistakingly believe that facts have to be strictly scientific in nature.
And you are wrong.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:08 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Now you can put your head in the sand, or go into some other intellectual retreat if you'd like. But the bottomline is you exist. The fact of your existence proves origin. The question is at least "how" if not "why"?
But that just leads to more questions. Why should I believe that I exist because of a god? Furthermore, why should I believe that I exist because of the Christian god? Why does it matter if I believe?
Just because I exist, if I start to question why, it opens up infinite possibilities.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:09 pm to Revelator
quote:
Then this would make them agnostic and not atheist.
Hasn't the Hog guy posted enough that atheism = without belief in god. That does not mean atheists believe there is no god.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:11 pm to magildachunks
quote:Just as we know you are here, and we've yet to find origin of the matter you are made of.
We knew the moon was there, it was just a matter of figuring out how to reach it.
quote:Wrong again. Obviously if a God chose to make himself visible, you'd know "it's" there.
Now religion is the opposite. It tells you how to reach something it can't possibly know is there.
Likewise, if we observed occurrences contrary to physical laws, God's presence might be discernible.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:11 pm to Porkchop Express
God dammit, I'm doin' work in this thread and y'all aren't even listening.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:15 pm to FT
quote:
God dammit, I'm doin' work in this thread and y'all aren't even listening.
I am aware of it.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:18 pm to DestrehanTiger
quote:Its up to you. You are evidence.
Why should I believe that I exist because of a god?
You are not a speculative theory.
You exist!
By what basis?
Your answer is uh, ah dunno. can't be a'ponderin' thangs ah dunno 'bout.
Then you attempt to wrap that dearth of curiosity in science. All to attempt proof that atheism is not the belief-set you actually know atheism to be.
It's really laughable.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:20 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
No observable facts = no belief Is your existence not a fact?
No.
The only evidence
I have that I exist as a self-aware
being is my conscious experience
and of thinking about my existence.
I cannot access anyone else’s conscious
thoughts, so I will never know if
they are self-aware.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:20 pm to Porkchop Express
otto?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:21 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Your answer is uh, ah dunno. can't be a'ponderin' thangs ah dunno 'bout. Then you attempt to wrap that dearth of curiosity in science. All to attempt proof that atheism is not the belief-set you actually know atheism to be.
It's really laughable.
You've made a lot of assumptions about me there.
It is very amusing that you equate my lack of an answer on how or why we got here to being some sort of redneck moron, though. And to me, saying "uh, ah dunno. can't be a'ponderin' thangs ah dunno 'bout, must be god", isn't a better approach.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:23 pm to FT
quote:
otto?
What's an otto?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:25 pm to Porkchop Express
quote:If you claim to have no evidence you exist, then please back away from the keyboard and leave the remaining discussion to the adults. Thanks.
No.
The only evidence
I have that I exist as a self-aware
being is my conscious experience
and of thinking about my existence.
I cannot access anyone else’s conscious
thoughts, so I will never know if
they are self-aware.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:33 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
No. The only evidence I have that I exist as a self-aware being is my conscious experience and of thinking about my existence. I cannot access anyone else’s conscious thoughts, so I will never know if they are self-aware.
If you claim to have no evidence you exist, then please back away from the keyboard and leave the remaining discussion to the adults. Thanks.
No I have no evidence that you exist.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 3:37 pm
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