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re: Russia's history with the Crimea Region
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:30 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:30 pm to KosmoCramer
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This would be an epic blunder IMO.
Why?
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Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:31 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Ukraine is already a member of the UN. Why would it be an epic blunder?
2. Ask what's left of Ukraine to join the UN.
This would be an epic blunder IMO.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:31 pm to KosmoCramer
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How does it affect US interests?
Because it's Russia's aquatic gate to Western Civilization. The French and the British helped fight an entire war (The Crimean War) to keep Russia from having this access. The Russians ended up eventually getting after WWII and even after the fall of the USSR has retained a lease over the Sevastopol port in order to operate Russian trade.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the group behind the overthrow of the Ukraine leadership has plans for Sevastopol that go against Russian interest and that this is the catalyst behind all of this.
So the TL;DR version - really fricking important for US foreign interest as it concerns Russia.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:31 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
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Yeah, it's not like an attack on US soil had anything to do with that.
I think he's saying that the US should have gotten involved well BEFORE Pearl Harbor.
Just bombing the hell out of a sovereign nation because they were having a regional issue with other sovereign nations.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:32 pm to LSURussian
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Ukraine is already a member of the UN. Why would it be an epic blunder?
If they were a member of NATO, they could have already invoked article V of the NATO agreement and basically forced all NATO allies into war with Russia.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:33 pm to KosmoCramer
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If you think 2014 Russia and 1941 Germany are even remotely equivalent I don't even know what to tell you.
Are they really? I'm not saying this is the start of ww3 but a charismatic nationalist leader leading a country looking for a resurgence in global stature picking off seemingly small portions of land to "re annex" because "hey they're ethnically the same anyways"
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:33 pm to KosmoCramer
BTW. I meant NATO in my previous post. I don't know what's wrong with me today.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:33 pm to Antonio Moss
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So the TL;DR version - really fricking important for US foreign interest as it concerns Russia.
Let the French and British go back there and fix it if they have a problem with it.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:34 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Huh?? Russia has numerous other ports on the Black Sea, including Sochi, where the Winter Olympics were just held.
Because it's Russia's aquatic gate to Western Civilization.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:34 pm to KosmoCramer
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History is important obviously, but it needs to be used in CONTEXT.
Okay...how's this for context? The Ukraine is an ally of the United States. Since they gained their independence from Russia toward the end of the Cold War, they have been trying to become more western, to be friendlier with countries such as the United States and Great Britain. When their sovereignty is threatened by an enemy of the United States, no matter how little of a geographical area it might be, an attack on an ally of the United States is an attack on the United States itself. Contextually, it's been that way all throughout history.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:35 pm to RollTide1987
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an attack on an ally of the United States is an attack on the United States itself.
No it's fricking NOT.
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Contextually, it's been that way all throughout history.
And that's not true either.
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:36 pm to KosmoCramer
Ok Neville chamberlain
This post was edited on 3/4/14 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:37 pm to KosmoCramer
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Not to say that what we were doing in previous administrations was great, but there are actions of the Obama Administration that COULD be attributed as a cause of this crisis
In what way...I mean maybe I'm looking at this through the wrong microscope, but most of Obama's foreign policy can be seen to pretty much parrot Bush's...ie Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, etc etc etc.
Up until this crisis Obama's administration can almost be seen as chummy with Putin.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:38 pm to Adam Banks
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Ok Neville chamberlin
Because I don't want to send US assets to attack Russia unilaterally; Im Neville Chamberlain and Russia is Germany 1941, and Vladamir Putin is Adolph Hitler.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:38 pm to asurob1
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It entertains me to see how much this board is worshiping that despot in Putin. I get the partisan politics bullshite, but find it pretty sad that we as a nation are actually jerking off over the thought of Putin getting one up over us...because we dislike the man in the oval office.
pathetic.
You have to admit that Obama is a failure in term of leadership, vision, policy and problem solving.
He thinks Government is the answer and most logical people with half a brain know that's asinine.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:38 pm to KosmoCramer
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Because I don't want to send US assets to attack Russia unilaterally;
Absolutely no body is saying that.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:39 pm to LSURussian
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Really, then why do you keep asking me what I would do if you don't take me seriously? Why do you keep stalking me from thread to thread if you don't take me seriously? You lie.
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He is expected to do something. It's his job, knucklehead!
He is doing things...because he isn't consulting your wisdom you're butthurt?
Your politics are shinning through here.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:39 pm to asurob1
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In what way...I mean maybe I'm looking at this through the wrong microscope, but most of Obama's foreign policy can be seen to pretty much parrot Bush's...ie Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, etc etc etc.
Up until this crisis Obama's administration can almost be seen as chummy with Putin.
the rhetoric from the Obama Administration has been some apologizing for US wrongs and resetting foreign relations with slightly to extremely hostile countries.
Also one tangible change from Bush to Obama was the removal of the Polish Shield. And that's a huge one.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:40 pm to KosmoCramer
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No it's fricking NOT.
Yes, it freaking is. If I were to punch a friend of yours
in the face and knock him out, wouldn't you jump in and fight me?
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And that's not true either.
Yes, it is. We can play this game all day. The fact is...you don't mess with an ally of the United States and not expect some form of retaliation.
Posted on 3/4/14 at 5:40 pm to rcd0808
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Absolutely no body is saying that.
That's the connotation of a Neville Chamberlain reference brings to mind for me. Maybe I misconstrued that.
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