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re: Russian High Altitude Electromagnetic Pulse (HEMP) weapons.

Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:10 pm to
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:10 pm to
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:12 pm to
Seems like they could have prevented a lot of Russian deaths if they had used such devices in Ukraine, no?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35711 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:12 pm to
Russia, to the extent they have this capability, is nowhere near stupid enough to ever use them.
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
6585 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:17 pm to
nahh. the threat of mutual destruction is the only REAL preventative.

missile defense isnt stopping a multi pronged attack or even a 5 missile barrage with 4 dummies.

we'd know who launched them and retaliate (in a sane world) even if it was after we'd been hit.

are there nations out there that may think it's worth it? that I don't know. but I could definitely see a rogue nation making a deal with a bigger power (NK & China maybe) to roll the dice.
This post was edited on 4/16/23 at 5:12 pm
Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
1520 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:24 pm to
Small electronics are more than likely fricked, powered or not.
Appliances with circuit boards, fricked
Modern cars, fricked
Almost anything with a small computer board.


On the flip side, old shite will probably be fine...
Old carbed cars, trucks, motorcycles, lawn equipment, boats, good to go
Any old mechanical injected diesel powered equipment or trucks, good to go

Unfortunately, the modern electrical grid is surely fricked.
Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
1520 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

Seems like they could have prevented a lot of Russian deaths if they had used such devices in Ukraine, no?

You want russia to go nuke on ukraine?
You sure?
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7654 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:38 pm to
Moscow spent decades and vast resources protecting its critical infrastructures from nuclear
effects. Russia today has hundreds of deep underground command posts and thousands of other
underground shelters designed to survive and recover from an all-out nuclear war. Even Moscow's
subway system is equipped with nuclear blast doors.

It is probably no accident that Russia leads all other nations in the production of vacuum tubes,
Svetlana Tubes in St. Petersburg being the largest manufacturer of vacuum tubes in the world.
Vacuum tube electronics are over ten million times less vulnerable to HEMP than the advanced
semiconductors and microchips that are the sinews of economic and military power in the United
States.76
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
15006 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:39 pm to
Faraday Cages, my house is 95% shielded.

It's easy to do.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25138 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

3/8 if Russia could effectively at will wreck the entire electrical and electronic infrastructure - every single device, every single piece of equipment - of the entire continental United States, including (almost) all of its military and including ballistic missile...


This wouldn't affect the Amish.
Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
1520 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:43 pm to
Yippeee, youve shielded all your elctronics but have no electricity to use them.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7654 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

Seems like they could have prevented a lot of Russian deaths if they had used such devices in Ukraine, no?


How would we know if they did or not?
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
15006 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

Yippeee, youve shielded all your elctronics but have no electricity to use them.


Assuming the field generated would eliminate my power source.







Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:49 pm to
Almost 20 yrs ago it was estimated that during an EMP, about 10% of the vehicles on the road would come to a stop. I'm sure that is a far higher percentage now.

Old vehicles are better, including older tractors, off road motorcycles etc.

Batteries should be fine, like AA etc.

Things connected to the grid are vulnerable. If you have a device that is charging, it's gone.

Things with solid-state technology will go down.

I have no idea about aircraft - seems a lot of those systems would go down, but who knows.

Main power grid will go down - recipe for chaos.

Allegedly, if your vehicle has any of the following, it will be rendered inop: electronic fuel injection,
anything computerized that controls your vehicle’s main systems, a PCM (also called a powertrain control module), ABS (Anti-locking Brake Systems) electronic ignition or keyless ignition, or a negative battery terminal that is grounded to the vehicle frame. I don't understand the battery terminal part and why that makes a vehicle vulnerable.

Oh, and here's a blurb I found about electric vehicles (even more reason to shun these things):
Electric cars are particularly vulnerable to EMPs since they rely on electronic components for both their operation and charging.
The battery, motor, and other components can be easily damaged by an EMP, rendering the car inoperable. Though the battery itself will likely survive an EMP (assuming it is not plugged in and charging) so many of the components that make these cars function will not make it, unfortunately.
Even if the electric vehicle is not destroyed by the EMP, it will likely be stranded if the infrastructure needed to charge it is also destroyed. Electric cars are a luxury that will not be an option in a post-EMP world.
In short, a vehicle that relies heavily on computers, solid-state switching, and other such intricate electronic components is highly vulnerable to an EMP as first- or second-order consequence.
Any vehicle that is plugged into a charger or other electrical grid is doubly vulnerable to the
effects of an EMP.


"Smart homes" will go down in an EMP attack.

The electronics on portable generators are said to be vulnerable, making them useless post-EMP.

Electronics involved in public water supply will probably be damaged. So...no water, or no clean water.

Computers and similar devices will probably be toast, immediately.

People with pacemakers - those things might stop working.

Most CB radios, hand held radios, flashlights and similar gadgets will work, unless they are connected to the grid for charging, when the EMP hits.

Basically an EMP will put society into chaos. But, why spend money on that when we can just give that money to the teacher's unions, right?
This post was edited on 4/16/23 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
1520 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:49 pm to
quote:


How would we know if they did or not?

You don't think a giant nuclear blast in the atmosphere would be detectable?
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
15006 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

You don't think a giant nuclear blast in the atmosphere would be detectable?


Non nuclear EMP.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb3.htm
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9953 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

both governments have obtained a lot of technology from US corporations as a condition of allowing US corporations in China and Russia.


Don't give all the credit to US corporations and let the US politicians get lonely
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63068 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:09 pm to
quote:

It's hard to believe the US military has any huge and decisive advantage over China or Russia in a pure technological sense. The Chinese and Russians have had a shite ton of college students in our best STEM universities for decades and both governments have obtained a lot of technology from US corporations as a condition of allowing US corporations in China and Russia.

They're really good little worker drones, but they have no gift for innovation. The Chinese economy is based on copying other people's shite and reproducing it. They invent almost nothing.

Communism doesn't respect or create innovation. Quite the opposite.
Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
1520 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

Allegedly, if your vehicle has any of the following, it will be rendered inop: electronic fuel injection,
anything computerized that controls your vehicle’s main systems, a PCM (also called a powertrain control module), ABS (Anti-locking Brake Systems) electronic ignition or keyless ignition, or a negative battery terminal that is grounded to the vehicle frame. I don't understand the battery terminal part and why that makes a vehicle vulnerable.

Older ones should be good unless powered when pulse hits. Newer ones...maybe

quote:

portable generators are said to be vulnerable

These things should be good to go as long as they were not powered when the pulse hits.


quote:

People with pacemakers

fricked...probably
Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
1520 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

Assuming the field generated would eliminate my power source.

I wouldn't power up all that shite with a limited fuel supply, but you do you.
Posted by Tusksup
Sheridan, AR
Member since Feb 2023
1520 posts
Posted on 4/16/23 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

Non nuclear EMP.

Too small to worry about.
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