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re: Russia hacked GOP affiliated targets as well, per intell report.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:15 am to ladyluckUGA
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:15 am to ladyluckUGA
Using "imperial" and "Christianity" in the same sentence- extra points for that! Jesus is so proud!
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:17 am to germandawg
quote:Your more honest alternative would be to simply have said 'sayonara'.
And yet another one unable to state their side....
Sweden (I chose Sweden, but could have cited a half dozen other countries) is widely regarded as socialist. Socialism involves wealth redistribution. A progressive tax code is designed to achieve that end. Our tax code is far more progressive than Sweden's.
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:17 am to LSURussian
quote:So....wanna take a ban bet....if you can state how progressive taxation is socialism and I can't debunk your side with statements from other people I will leave....but if I can you will?
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No you can't...you do not possess the ability to prove something that you know damn well is not provable...
No, you won't do it because you know beyond doubt that you can't. You use the word socialist to describe anything that is contrary to your world view without any idea of what the word actually means....or worse you know what it means and still use it wrong....
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:21 am to germandawg
quote:The ban bet, my dad is tougher than your dad of the poliboard.
So....wanna take a ban bet.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:21 am to NC_Tigah
Wealth redistribution - Trump makes a deal, invests millions - the deal fails - instead of suffering the loss solely by himself, he forces the collective others to share his loss. He keeps his wealth, others get the shaft (they don't get paid).
Socialism. Yes, or no?
Socialism. Yes, or no?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:22 am to LSURussian
double post
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:22 am to Jbird
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quote:
So....wanna take a ban bet.
The ban bet, my dad is tougher than your dad of the poliboard.
I agree..beyond silly...
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:27 am to TigerJeff
quote:Define "collective of others". Because I would swear I thought you were talking about a bank.
Trump makes a deal, invests millions - the deal fails - instead of suffering the loss solely by himself, he forces the collective others to share his loss
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:27 am to germandawg
quote:Like the vast majority of your rambling run on sentences of incoherent diatribes.
I agree..beyond silly...
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:29 am to Hugo Stiglitz
DCLEAKS
Here you go, Republican emails. Did they ever say officially if it was Russia behind DCLEAKS? Was DCLEAKS mentioned in the Intel report?
Here you go, Republican emails. Did they ever say officially if it was Russia behind DCLEAKS? Was DCLEAKS mentioned in the Intel report?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:29 am to germandawg
quote:Britannica dictionary
Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
Socialists complain that capitalism necessarily leads to unfair and exploitative concentrations of wealth and power in the hands of the relative few who emerge victorious from free-market competition—people who then use their wealth and power to reinforce their dominance in society. Because such people are rich, they may choose where and how to live, and their choices in turn limit the options of the poor.
So a major goal of socialism is to tax the rich at higher rates in order to distribute their wealth to the poorer.
That's how a highly progressive tax structure is a symptom of socialism.
Now go ahead and reply "nuh-uh" which is your usual response.
This post was edited on 1/8/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:38 am to NC_Tigah
Suppliers. Contractors. Trump takes a "risk," we call him a brave capitalist. Obviously, he made some shitty business decisions that resulted in the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars. Shouldn't HE bear the full consequences of his shitty decisions? Thinning out the herd, improving the gene pool, all of that you guys blather, right? Make room for businessmen who don't make shitty decisions, right?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:45 am to TigerJeff
quote:So you'd suggest revision of bankruptcy laws. What would you specifically propose?
Shouldn't HE bear the full consequences of his shitty decisions?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:48 am to LSURussian
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Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
Socialists complain that capitalism necessarily leads to unfair and exploitative concentrations of wealth and power in the hands of the relative few who emerge victorious from free-market competition—people who then use their wealth and power to reinforce their dominance in society. Because such people are rich, they may choose where and how to live, and their choices in turn limit the options of the poor.
Britannica dictionary
So a major goal of socialism is to tax the rich at higher rates in order to distribute their wealth to the poorer.
That's how a highly progressive tax structure is a symptom of socialism.
Now go ahead and reply "nuh-uh" which is your usual response.
You linked a 33 page document that does not contain the word "tax" in any context to "prove" you assertion that progressive taxation is socialism.....
What you did though was move the goal posts by changing you assertion....you originally posited that progressive taxation is socialism, now you are hedging by stating :
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a highly progressive tax structure is a symptom of socialism.
Now you are stating that "HIGHLY" progressive taxation is a sympton of socialism....you would be just as correct to state that socialists are humans and capitalists are human so being human is sympton of socialism and therefore capitalists are socialists...
Go ahead and give it another shot my friend...you ain't gonna be able to do it because your position is flawed...
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:55 am to LSURussian
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So a major goal of socialism is to tax the rich at higher rates in order to distribute their wealth to the poorer.
That's how a highly progressive tax structure is a symptom of socialism.
Now go ahead and reply "nuh-uh" which is your usual response.
So who do you think enjoys the benefits more from the social institutions that we pay for through progressive taxation my friend? The wealthy or the poor? Would the poor be poor in any country? Most likely. Would the wealthy be wealthy in any country? Much more debatable.
If you are positing that the middle class should pay more of our share of the bill for things that make this the greatest nation on earth I could not agree more....but that does not mean that progressive taxation is socialism....
If the United States becomes insolvent and is no more who is going to suffer more? The poor, the middle class or the wealthy? The poor aren't going to be anything but poor....the middle class will probably become poor as will most of the wealthy....only a few of them have wealth that would not be upsurped by whatever government forces the american middle class into abject poverty...thus the wealthy have more responsibility to see that the US stays viable...when you own shite you are responsible for your shite....
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:57 am to bencoleman
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The Republican party has repeatedly denied any hacking attempts.
Your roots are showing. That is a lie. Republicans that I heard said there were attempts but their security wall prevented them.
Posted on 1/8/17 at 10:58 am to LSURussian
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According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another.
This is the view of socialists as well as all realists...individuals do not live or work in isolation and when one of us does find ourselves isolated all we can think about is getting back in the group....even when it is in a prison full of deranged psychotic killers the worse punishment we can dream of is to isolate people....humans are social animals and thus we DO NOT live or work in isolation by choice....we will always choose to do so in a group given the choice....
Posted on 1/8/17 at 11:06 am to germandawg
quote:And there's the diversion from your original question, just as I predicted. You are so fricking predictable.
So who do you think enjoys the benefits more from the social institutions that we pay for through progressive taxation my friend? The wealthy or the poor?
Posted on 1/8/17 at 11:11 am to LSURussian
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So who do you think enjoys the benefits more from the social institutions that we pay for through progressive taxation my friend? The wealthy or the poor?
And there's the diversion from your original question, just as I predicted. You are so fricking predictable.
Thats not an aversion my friend that is an olive branch to you after you failed to provide evidence of progressive taxes being socialism and your moving of the goal post to a sympton of socialism....I am doing you a favor by offering you an out...
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