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re: Run 2.23 for Arbery #werunwitharbery
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:56 pm to OccamsStubble
Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:56 pm to OccamsStubble
quote:
The problem these clowns have: their answer to the first question is “we never were. We just felt he had committed a felony, and chased him”
Fools.
Yeah - I'm mostly on the side of "Arbery was likely up to no good, but..." And that's a big but (
) - because you can't wantonly kill folks for property crimes against yourself, much less randomly try to corral folks on the street when you have no actual knowledge of any actual crime. It was a situation where they were not in any danger, he didn't pose any danger - take some pictures, record details and give that to the police.
They created the charged situation that, in Arbery's shoes (running or not), I don't know if I would have been inclined to do anything differently - they were armed, blocking him in and they didn't give him a lot of out options.
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:03 pm to Ace Midnight
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because you can't wantonly kill folks for property crimes against yourself,
They didn't kill him because they suspected he had stolen from a neighbor, they killed him because he charged one of them and reached for their gun.
Granted, them being there, armed, blocking his path, is unlikely legal... But he wasn't shot because of 'property crimes'.
I also agree with your general stance. Even if the law backs you (which it's not apparent it does in this instance) don't do stupid shite. Someone is dead and you're facing murder charges because you decided to run after someone, while armed, over potential property theft.
Yea, I get it, thieves are punk bitches. But look where you're (the father and son) at right now.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:07 pm to Azkiger
quote:I would say it's perhaps not literally impossible, but it is not at all plausible. I mean, we can see on the video that he is attempting to get away from him - the guy in the bed has a gun and then the a-hole that shoots him cuts him off.
The plausible scenario you claimed isn't possible is as follows.
Arbery entered the premise with the intent to steal (potential felony), the guys in the truck were told by a neighbor that the person running was the person who was in the house (granting them first hand knowledge of potential felon), they decided to attempt a citizen's arrest with firearms which is allowed if a felony has been committed, while attempting a citizen's arrest (assumed to be a lawful act) Arbery reached for the gun (elevating this event to potentially life threatening) and was shot.
That's certainly plausible.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:08 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I would say it's perhaps not literally impossible, but it is not at all plausible. I mean, we can see on the video that he is attempting to get away from him - the guy in the bed has a gun and then the a-hole that shoots him cuts him off.
How does any of that cut against the scenario I laid out?
You can't attempt a citizens arrest if the suspected perp decides to give you the ol'razzle dazzle? Ok bro
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:09 pm to 3nOut
quote:Did you ever stop to consider he was out of breath from them having chased him down with weapons in the first place? Perhaps he didn't have the luxury of merely assuming they weren't going to gravely harm him in the first place.
I’ll go a step further and say that even if your are completely innocent and charge somebody with a gun you’re placing your life in their hands.
quote:How is their state of mind when they left their home relevant? All I care about is what they did from the point they started brandishing firearms.
McMichaels didn’t leave their house with guns with any actual intention of hurting anybody.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:10 pm to Aubie Spr96
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I ran 5 miles today. Was not shot. Just like every other Tuesday.
Now imagine if you were black.
And possibly stealing from a house.
And running in non-running shoes.
Think about that you racist!
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:12 pm to idlewatcher
quote:PLEASE tell me that we are NOT back to the “Timberland boots” claim ....
running in non-running shoes.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:13 pm to Azkiger
quote:
They didn't kill him because they suspected he had stolen from a neighbor, they killed him because he charged one of them and reached for their gun.
I understand that - I mean that they armed themselves, created a charged situation where these consequences were likely to occur. They bought a dangerous situation where they bore all the risks of error.
While I think they started out with *ahem* "generally" good motives, they didn't have the wisdom or restraint to execute (pardon the language) their plan correctly or safely.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:19 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
PLEASE tell me that we are NOT back to the “Timberland boots” claim ....
What I'm saying is - I was a runner. I've been around (mostly military) runners my whole life. I've never seen someone who runs regularly kitted out like Arbery was - head to toe - well, maybe the plain white t-shirt (but cargo shorts and whatever shoes those were - the imagery quality from the video which was my first exposure also didn't do me any favors - I got the impression of high tops or boots - I admit I may have been mistaken).
I also concede that whatever he was wearing is irrelevant to them blocking the road, brandishing weapons and having no real plan beyond that. I believe they created a charged situation that resulted in Arbery's death.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:41 pm to Ace Midnight
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While I think they started out with *ahem* "generally" good motives, they didn't have the wisdom or restraint to execute (pardon the language) their plan correctly or safely.
Agreed.
I can reasonably see following, but even then not very far. If they lose sight of Arbery (say he ducks in between houses) they shouldn't follow (see George Zimmerman).
The most I'd do is follow from a distance with police on the phone and stop once I lose sight/can no longer follow.
Anything beyond that is asking for trouble.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:07 pm to Hot Carl
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all the black guys that got unnecessarily murdered by racist white rednecks last year, this guy was the one. No fricking excuse whatsoever, and it’s telling you felt the need to make this thread.
A little boy was shot in the head by a racist black and no one is out riding their bikes for him.
But it's telling this is the one killing that sent you over the virtue signaling edge.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:11 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:The pix inside the house are better. I think they were some sort of black cross-trainers.
shoes those were - the imagery quality from the video which was my first exposure also didn't do me any favors - I got the impression of high tops or boots
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:16 pm to dgnx6
A white 12 year old was also stabbed in the neck by a black man at a McDonalds in Pittsburgh while screaming "white devil" and not a peep from the media.
Maybe he wasn't jogging? Yea, that's gotta be it. He wasn't out jogging and that's why they didn't cover it (nationally).
Maybe he wasn't jogging? Yea, that's gotta be it. He wasn't out jogging and that's why they didn't cover it (nationally).
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:19 pm to Azkiger
quote:
I think it's very clear he was casing the property or there to steal that day. No I'm not 100% positive, but if I was sitting on a jury I'd be beyond any reasonable doubt he was there to steal.
It is very clear that you have no idea what you are talking about and have very limited knowledge of this case.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:20 pm to mouton
quote:
mouton
AOC, is that you?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:59 pm to Hot Carl
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Of all the black guys that got unnecessarily murdered by racist white rednecks last year, this guy was the one.
name some more
Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:43 pm to Azkiger
quote:How many times can you say "potential felony"? I believe the cut off in GA is $1500. What exactly would he have stolen in broad daylight from a construction site worth that much - much less hidden it on his person and easily jogged with it (in his trainers, not the fake news "timberlands")?
How does any of that cut against the scenario I laid out?
There was no reason to believe a felony was committed. The dipshit neighbor had no idea and the dipshit murderers had no idea.
There was no grounds to even attempt a citizens' arrest - much less insist on doing so with multiple brandished weapons.
These were vigilante assholes who I hope get what was coming to them. And perhaps even moreso, I hope the corrupt LE that tried to sweep it under the rug is put under the jail.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:04 am to Big Scrub TX
Now you change your tune from that shitty rebuttal... quote:
How many times can you say "potential felony"? I believe the cut off in GA is $1500.
I think you're missing an additional element of the crime here. Arbery didn't exactly walk into a Best Buy during store hours and try to snag a 1,499.99 dollar TV.
Edit: fixed a post midnight "your vs you're error".
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 12:08 am
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:04 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
How many times can you say "potential felony"? I believe the cut off in GA is $1500. What exactly would he have stolen in broad daylight from a construction site worth that much - much less hidden it on his person and easily jogged with it (in his trainers, not the fake news "timberlands")?
There was no reason to believe a felony was committed. The dipshit neighbor had no idea and the dipshit murderers had no idea.
entering the premises with the intent to steal something of any value is, in and of itself, a felony.
how could you still not know this, given how eager you are to educate people ITT?
being passionate about a subject is not the same thing as being well-informed or correct.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 12:04 am to RiseUpATL
Nothing like a nice jog through home construction sites wearing your flip flops.
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