re: Ronan Farrow should without question be Time’s “Man of the Year”

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There’s hardly any difference between cause and effect and influence

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there is a definite distinction.

influence is about perception, opinions, feelings...inspiring those in other people. of course influential works do create real world cause and effect, sometimes on a massive scale.

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Did Karl Marx influence many people in his lifetime?

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yes, after the bible and the quran it's probably the most influential shite ever written.

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Not really.

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what?!

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It took 30 years after his death for people to really go along with his ideas

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it took 30 years after his death for a communist regime to overthrow an existing aristocracy/monarchy...only 30 years. during his later life the communist manifesto was wildly influential after initial obscurity. like insanely influential in Europe and many significant acts of revolution were inspired by it. the Bolsheviks were only the first successful revolution to create a marxist state. and that was decades in the making.

I can't even believe i'm having this discussion. Lenin was not quite a peasant but a Russian nonetheless. (he was destitute by European standards) before the internet and air travel, marx's work found its way into his hands only a few years after marx died.

farrow reported something we didn't know. we didn't need to be influenced as to what to think and feel. cause and effect was pretty immediate.

also, influence doesn't happen overnight. in the case of marx or john locke or anyone. radical ideas never garner mainstream acceptance quickly even in the world of internet and mass transit.

Great thread. Didn't think it would deliver, but it does.

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and he's the spitting image of woody allen. a chip off the old block, doesn't look anything like frank Sinatra

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Link to article? Must have missed it. TIA

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If it weren’t for Ludendorff smuggling Lenin to Russia to encourage an uprising, then the Communist Manifesto but have like a 5 paragraph Wikipedia summary

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Good god. The IWA had 8 million members by 1871, a mere seven years after it was founded. Given that it was most predominant in countries in Western Europe who were already industrialized, it was such a force that it led to numerous members being exiled to Switzerland, which itself caused all sorts of problems. Those members were actively spied on by European powers, and one, August Wohlgemuth, when he was arrested, caused a major crisis between Bismarck and Switzerland that led to current notions of Swiss neutrality, from Swiss archivist Paul Schweizer whose nine-part monograph that created the myth of a neutral Switzerland. This is just one anecdote. Another would be the Paris Commune.

There are all sorts of stories like this in the fin de siecle time period. I understand you are saying this for the sake of hyperbole, but Marxism was already tremendously influential in the formation of social democratic parties, as well as labor parties in specifically Commonwealth holdings. It would have had a different impact without the Russian Revolution, but the wheels were turning already.

I will play this one PC. I think that in american history, the Federalist Papers, Common Sense, and The Jungle, are the most influential media releases. However, as far as this century has gone this could definitely turn out to be the most influential article. Cultural changes are a lagging indicator of influence so I think Fox is a little too quick to say it has had no influence. This has already influenced women to speak out because they feel people will listen to their story and they won't be have the stigma they are concerned about.