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re: Robert E. Lee -- Skilled General
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:20 am to Doctor B
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:20 am to Doctor B
We need to quit giving progressives any room to make stupid statements.
Lee has always been recognized as one of the best military minds of the time. That’s an undisputed fact. Anyone that tries to say otherwise is an idiot that should’ve paid more attention in history class. Full stop.
Lee has always been recognized as one of the best military minds of the time. That’s an undisputed fact. Anyone that tries to say otherwise is an idiot that should’ve paid more attention in history class. Full stop.
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Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:20 am to RollTide1987
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Based on what?
Based upon history bro. Grant was a straight up attrition warfare guy. Not blaming him whatsoever because he accomplished his goal. However, give Lee the Federal army and supplies and the capital of the United States would be Richmond today.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:21 am to Doctor B
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So there is supposedly going to be a Dem meltdown because Trump said Robert E. Lee was a sought after and skilled person?
Isn't this universally agreed with by Civil War experts?
Oh wait...Trump said it. It must mean the end of democracy or some shite.
Just like always. And we (his admin and supporters) are going to need to combat this 'push-back' if he is elected in a few days. I don't know the answer but it allows the democrats to ride made-up issues, distract and deflect.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:25 am to RFK
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Also not sure why you are so worried about who I am voting for, Trump obviously isn’t.
Some people are stupid and there is nothing to be done about them. Those that can’t study history without being offended and guys like you are prime examples!
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:28 am to FearTheSpear
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Back then your home state meant more the nationwide unity. Probably because most citizens never traveled out of their home state.
It was a helluva lot more than not travelling out of your state. Back then, the word "state" actually meant something more than a subdivision of a central, national government. States were essentially countries in their own right who had bonded together to create a federal government through which they could work together in unison. Didn't take long for that federal government to become a national government and then a central government.
The nation, as we see it today, hardly resembles what the founders created.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:29 am to ABearsFanNMS
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Based upon history bro. Grant was a straight up attrition warfare guy.
So how would you describe Lee’s tactics at battles such as Beaver Dam Creek, Gaines’ Mill, Malvern Hill, South Mountain, Antietam, Chancellorsville, and Gettysburg?
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 8:33 am
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:31 am to Bourre
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Sir Arthur Wellesley would like some consideration
In Cornwell's Sharp series it's Wellesley who really steals the show. It made me go and read up on the actual history. My wife and I have been to Europe a couple of times and I really wanted to hit Portugal and see what's left of Wellesley's famous lines at Torres Vedras but that earned a predictable WTF from her.
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 8:34 am
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:33 am to ABearsFanNMS
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Based upon history bro. Grant was a straight up attrition warfare guy. Not blaming him whatsoever because he accomplished his goal. However, give Lee the Federal army and supplies and the capital of the United States would be Richmond today.
100% truth. Grant was blessed with the men and supplies and he used them.His Vicksburg Campaign was his best IMO. Had Lee had those resources he would have won that war.
I dont hate Grant. He did the honorable thing and kept his word and Lincoln's terms when he threatened to resign and stopped Johnson and the radicals after the war from arresting and trying the Confederate leaders.
He was a terrible president and his administration was absolutely corrupt.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:43 am to AU86
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Grant was blessed with the men and supplies and he used them.His Vicksburg Campaign was his best IMO.
Every U.S. general since the Mexican-American War has been blessed with superior numbers in men and equipment against their adversary. We only acknowledge this fact when we’re talking about the Civil War due to obvious reasons.
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 8:44 am
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:46 am to ThoUpOrange
The leftists will shite a brick when Trump changes the names of the bases back to Confederate generals.
Fort Bragg Fort Hood Fort Lee Fort Rucker Fort Benning
Fort Bragg Fort Hood Fort Lee Fort Rucker Fort Benning
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:46 am to Doctor B
If Lee was such a scoundrel and bad general, why did the US Navy name a nuclear submarine after him?
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:48 am to RollTide1987
Yeah not true, Midway, Guadalcanal, Chosin Reservoir and about half of the Korean War in general just to name a few
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:53 am to AU86
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Fort Hood
This one never made a lot of sense. John Bell Hood really wasn't highly regarded then or now.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:57 am to Doctor B
If they had Pepto chewables he wins Gettysburg
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:09 am to Rip Torn
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Yeah not true, Midway, Guadalcanal, Chosin Reservoir and about half of the Korean War in general just to name a few
Midway was a naval engagement and was won by admirals, not generals. And the fact that we won that battle due to our superior intelligence-gathering capabilities speaks to our advantage in resources. Guadalcanal absolutely was won by superior numbers in personnel and logistics. That was a battle of attrition that the Japanese had no chance of winning once we had a firm foothold on the island.
I will grant you the Korean War but the Battle of Chosin was brought about by MacArthur’s arrogance and lack of respect for the Chinese.
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 9:13 am
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:11 am to RollTide1987
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We only acknowledge this fact when we’re talking about the Civil War due to obvious reasons.
But the revisionists never want to acknowledge the vast superior numbers that Grant enjoyed when he came East. The federal army was growing in strength and resources and the Army of Northern Virginia was not the same as it was in 1862/63. The Confederacy by that time was in severe decline in regards to being able to supply resources.The ANV never recovered from the losses that it suffered at Gettysburg (attrition of experienced combat ready officers was devastating) From Lt.'s to Colonels the losses were mind blowing.
Grant enjoyed vastly superior advantages but I give him credit for latching on to the strategy that enabled him to win. He wore down an army that was suffering from attrition/lack of resources. The disparity of numbers that surrounded Lee when he surrendered were vast in difference.
Grant knew that he had the numbers and resources and he wasn't afraid to use them. His losses compared to Lee's during the Overland Campaign earned him the name "The Butcher". The difference is he knew that those losses would be replaced while Lee had no such hope. Once Lee was positioned in the trenches at Petersburg it was over.
I agree with your earlier post regarding Lee and Malvern Hill, Gaines Mill, Gettysburg, Sharpsburg etc. I heard Shelby Foote say one time that Pickets Charge was the price that the South paid for having Lee in command. Lee was very aggressive.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:14 am to shinerfan
He commanded Texas troops.
Hood's Texas Brigade was legendary. They were Lee's shock troops.
Hood's Texas Brigade was legendary. They were Lee's shock troops.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:14 am to RollTide1987
quote:he routinely decimated union armies with the 60% of the man power and less supplies.
Based on what?
Grant was like the 5th general chosen to take on Lee.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:17 am to Doctor B
Been hearing this about R.E.Lee my entire life.
It’s not a thing to get cranky about, it’s just an actual fact.
It’s not a thing to get cranky about, it’s just an actual fact.
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