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re: Right wing terror attacks. The numbers don't match the narrative
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:38 am to thebigmuffaletta
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:38 am to thebigmuffaletta
quote:So... 75 Trump-incited terror attacks so far?
66 Islamic terror attacks
8 communist terror attacks
1 right wing terror attack
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:43 am to Taxing Authority
quote:According to the lemmings, yes.
66 Islamic terror attacks 8 communist terror attacks 1 right wing terror attack So... 75 Trump-incited terror attacks so far?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:53 am to russellvillehog
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Fascism is not right wing at all.
it is listed as centrist on the spectrum as it was meant as a go between communism and capitalism
the founder of fascism was a MARXIST!
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According to a popular misconception, the Nazis must have been on the political right because they persecuted communists and fought a war with the communists in Russia. This specious logic has gone largely unchallenged because it serves as useful propaganda for the left, which needs ``right-wing'' atrocities to divert attention from the horrific communist atrocities of the past century. Hence, communist atrocities have received much less publicity than Nazi war crimes, even though they were greater in magnitude by any objective measure. R. J. Rummel of the University of Hawaii documents in his book Death by Government that the two most murderous regimes of the past century were both communist: communists in the Soviet Union murdered 62 million of their own citizens, and Chinese communists killed 35 million Chinese citizens. The Nazi socialists come in third, having murdered 21 million Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Czechs, Poles, Ukrainians and others. Additional purges occurred in smaller communist hellholes such as Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Ethiopia, and Cuba, of course. Communism does more than imprison and impoverish nations: it kills wholesale. And so did ``national socialism'' during the Nazi reign of terror.
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But the history of the past century has been grossly distorted by the predominantly left-wing media and academic elite. The Nazis have been universally condemned -- as they obviously should be -- but they have also been repositioned clear across the political spectrum and propped up as false representatives of the far right -- even though Hitler railed frantically against capitalism in his infamous demagogic speeches. At the same time, heinous crimes of larger magnitude by communist regimes have been ignored or downplayed, and the general public is largely unaware of them. Hence, communism is still widely regarded as a fundamentally good idea that has just not yet been properly ``implemented.'' Santayana said, ``Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'' God help us if we forget the horrors of communism and get the historical lessons of Nazism backwards.
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Nazism was inspired by Italian Fascism, an invention of hardline Communist Benito Mussolini. During World War I, Mussolini recognized that conventional socialism wasn't working. He saw that nationalism exerted a stronger pull on the working class than proletarian brotherhood. He also saw that the ferocious opposition of large corporations made socialist revolution difficult. So in 1919, Mussolini came up with an alternative strategy. He called it Fascism. Mussolini described his new movement as a ``Third Way'' between capitalism and communism. As under communism, the state would exercise dictatorial control over the economy. But as under capitalism, the corporations would be left in private hands.
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Hitler followed the same game plan. He openly acknowledged that the Nazi party was ``socialist'' and that its enemies were the ``bourgeoisie'' and the ``plutocrats'' (the rich). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler eliminated trade unions, and replaced them with his own state-run labor organizations. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler hunted down and exterminated rival leftist factions (such as the Communists). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler waged unrelenting war against small business. Hitler regarded capitalism as an evil scheme of the Jews and said so in speech after speech. Karl Marx believed likewise. In his essay, ``On the Jewish Question,'' Marx theorized that eliminating Judaism would strike a crippling blow to capitalist exploitation. Hitler put Marx's theory to work in the death camps.
LINK
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 11:57 am
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:30 pm to 225bred
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How do you quantify this?
Oh, thats right, you can't.
So it's just a bullshite buzzword talking point for you to parrot
You're so fun to slap around, like a little bitch.
If only you had the presence of mind to apply your standard equally
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:36 pm to bmy
If only you had the presence of mind to realize you get your shite pushed in literally every time you post and had the self-awareness necessary to feel shame.
Alas, you have Asperger's.
Alas, you have Asperger's.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:40 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Wow, who would've guessed that violence would be higher in war zones?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:02 pm to crazy4lsu
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Watch how crazy these guys will get when I saw that Islamic terrorism is a right-wing phenomenon. The overlaps in terms of themes between Islamist literature and ethnonationalist literature was surprising even to me. Both show massive amounts of chauvinism, and both represent world orders that never existed in reality save for representations of them in certain media. Both tend to exploit young men who feel untethered to their immediate world, but otherwise seem well-adjusted. There is little consideration of class dynamics, which range from denying they exist to outright ignoring them. There is rarely ever a cogent economic philosophy.
Pretty much agree. There is a small but influential subset of the dissident right in America and Europe that is trying to emphasize the class angle, but I honestly doubt it will get much traction beyond its utility in forming a temporary alliance with the anti neoliberal left. There are just not enough people on the right that see the world that way.
"white sharia" is a meme for a reason, and yes I agree it's not rooted in any real historical and cultural precedent.
There are massive similarity between Islamic movements and the American dissident right, but that's also the case for almost all movements (using that word loosely) of this nature. Detachment from the current world, lack of access to suitable reproductive partners (sex), a feeling of having less access to resources than one's parents, or a dwindling access to resources (muh jerbs), it's all there.
There are of course a lot of differences too, but at the core, these seem like necesary preconditions as far as I can tell. People may conceptualize more complex reasons for extreme dissent, but rarely do people participate on a meaningful scale unless they perceive a lack of access or diminished access to certain core items of interest.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:06 pm to crazy4lsu
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One of the key elements is always a version of weaponized nostalgia, which portrays the past as simpler and less complicated. I'd even argue that within something explicitly religious, like the Islamists, there is a deep cynicism and nihilism that drives the violence, as I think that cynicism is a result of realizing they couldn't work within political systems and thus had to resort to violence, which is a deeply cynical move. That they rarely consider the effects of that violence shows some of that nihilism too.
You couldn't describe the war going in the dissident right any better than this. Interestingly, it's an extremely self aware group of people who fully recognize how important these things are to generating "push", and often you will see guys reminding one another not to buy in too hard to their own rhetoric
It's almost like they've "hacked" human biology and are pressing their own buttons. It's fascinating.
I should caveat that i dont think there are any notable voices calling for violence or bloodshed, but there is a battle between "irony bros" and those who are interested in forming effective political mechanisms. This shooter was obviously a nihilist/cynic, as many on the far fringes are. They are honestly very sad people and need help.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:23 pm to MrCarton
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Interestingly, it's an extremely self aware group of people who fully recognize how important these things are to generating "push", and often you will see guys reminding one another not to buy in too hard to their own rhetoric
That is fascinating. I imagine that once a movement is large enough, no amount of self-awareness can stop the "true believers" as it were.
By the way, what was that book you recommended to me a while back. It was about democracy and you said I would agree with it a lot. It was something about how democracy failed. I have free time for the first time in years, so I want to catch up on lots of reading. Was it Democracy: The God That Failed by chance?
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:30 pm to MastrShake
There are many sources/reports regards terrorism and I suppose the one you reference is dated 2/27/19. The seventh para describes fatality rates dropped 10.2 percent in 2016 and 14 percent in 2017. Not bad when you consider the large number of fatalities. Esp when 2018 is looking good enough to have the author question if 2019 can sustain this rate of improvement.
Another way to opine is to question what policy drove the rates so high between 2008 and 2016. Could it be the previous admin
Another way to opine is to question what policy drove the rates so high between 2008 and 2016. Could it be the previous admin
Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:06 pm to crazy4lsu
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Was it Democracy: The God That Failed by chance?
Yep. Author is Hans Hermann Hoppe, a former Habermas student
Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:11 pm to MrCarton
Awesome. Just bought a copy and will read it soon.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:27 pm to Nguyener
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All of these are the fault of the right wing, you see.
this is where you are wrong. you are oh so very wrong. this is the work of one individual. he has created a world filled with hate where the hateful have all the voice they want. #orangemanbad
Posted on 3/18/19 at 2:51 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:there are so many very obvious factual errors in the parts you quoted here, I hardly even know where to begin. its so bad it cant be accidental, whoever wrote that is intentionally lying to you. lets just do some quick ones...
it is listed as centrist on the spectrum as it was meant as a go between communism and capitalism the founder of fascism was a MARXIST!
quote:that alone has like 5 things that are wrong.
Nazism was inspired by Italian Fascism ... As under communism, the state would exercise dictatorial control over the economy. But as under capitalism, the corporations would be left in private hands.
Hitler followed the same game plan
from the 25-point manifesto of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, written by Adolf Hitler...
#13. All big corporations will be owned by the government.
#14. Big industrial companies will share their profits with the workers.
It seriously does not get any more clear than that.
that article isnt even right when it says "the corporations would be left in private hands", because they werent in private hands to begin with.
"The Great Depression had spurred increased state ownership in most Western capitalist countries. This also took place in Germany during the last years of the Weimar Republic."
technically there were private companies of course, one of the very first things Hitler did was privatize a long list of industries, from banks to shipyards to rail lines, but...
...the privatization was "applied within a framework of increasing control of the state over the whole economy through regulation and political interference."
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Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler waged unrelenting war against small business
dude this thing is so fricking bad. again, the exact opposite is true. those are the people who put Hitler into power, in no way was he at "war" with them.
#16. We want to create a healthy middle class (and) to split up big department stores and let small traders rent space inside them.
Small Business and the Rise of Hitler
quote:that is simply embarrassing.
Hitler regarded capitalism as an evil scheme of the Jews and said so in speech after speech. Karl Marx believed likewise.
"According to Hitler, Marxism was a Jewish strategy to subjugate Germany and the world and saw Marxism as a mental and political form of slavery."
On page 475 of Mein Kampf, he wrote "the Bolsheviks existed to serve Jewish international finance."
Bolsheviks = Communist Party of Russia
Hitler did not regard capitalism as an evil scheme of the Jews. he regarded communism as an evil scheme of the Jews.
more from Mein Kampf...
If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other
peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this
planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of
men.
Slowly fear and the Marxist weapon of Jewry descend like a nightmare on the
mind and soul of decent people.
They begin to tremble before the terrible enemy and thus have become his
final victim.
quote:I have literally NEVER heard that mentioned as "proof" the Nazis were on the right. if Hitler being at war against Russia somehow defined his politics, what would that say about a country who was at war alongside Russia?
According to a popular misconception, the Nazis must have been on the political right because they persecuted communists and fought a war with the communists in Russia
Posted on 3/18/19 at 3:12 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:
the founder of fascism was a MARXIST!
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Posted on 3/18/19 at 3:16 pm to MastrShake
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there are so many very obvious factual errors in the parts you quoted here, I hardly even know where to begin. its so bad it cant be accidental, whoever wrote that is intentionally lying to you. lets just do some quick ones...
Fat Bastard is a walking Charlie Kirk meme. It's pointless doing anything other than just mocking him.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 3:39 pm to Fat Bastard
Nice work. That shut-up those lying socialists pretty quick.
It's always fun to see them get so mad when you post documented history and facts.
It's always fun to see them get so mad when you post documented history and facts.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 3/18/19 at 4:14 pm to crazy4lsu
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How you morons keep assuming that right-wing means "small-government laissez-faire capitalist" is beyond me
Cause we’re in ‘Merica. And that’s American conservatism.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 4:15 pm to jrodLSUke
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facts
Yeah, that didn't happen.
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