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re: Right wing terror attacks. The numbers don't match the narrative
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:53 am to Wtodd
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:53 am to Wtodd
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I was stating his end goal
His "end goal", if you take him seriously, was a RW popular movement sparked by government action against gun owners. You just don't understand the context around the far right.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:54 am to MrCarton
The UN keeps track of terror attack fatalities worldwide. Rate is down by 50% over the last two years. Amounts to 45000 lives saved. Could it be a result of Trump foreign policy. If not, whats a better reason
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:55 am to Trevaylin
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The UN keeps track of terror attack fatalities worldwide. Rate is down by 50% over the last two years. Amounts to 45000 lives saved. Could it be a result of Trump foreign policy. If not, whats a better reason
Trump foreign policy is garbage.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:56 am to Trevaylin
Steady demise of ISIS over the last several years
Posted on 3/18/19 at 9:56 am to Wtodd
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was stating his end goal
He actually stated that america would fight and keep that right. He said specifically that NZ was too cucked, and would lose their guns eventually. He was just accelerating that. He believes america will eventually fight for thier gun rights, and retain them. He was just accelerating that. He wants it all to happen now. So in the chaos fascism will fill the power vacuum. He was a loon.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:03 am to MrCarton
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Trump foreign policy is garbage.
True, and yet it's an improvement over past administrations (both D and R). That's what's so sad.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:05 am to Mo Jeaux
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True, and yet it's an improvement over past administrations (both D and R). That's what's so sad.
He was going good for the most part, until he totally cucked after the fake Syria withdrawal. Look who he has in key positions now. Unbelievable 180.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:07 am to 225bred
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You're the shim who wanted to talk Right Wing terror last week, huh?
This thread blows you the frick out
Right wing radicalization*
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:23 am to bmy
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Right wing radicalization*
Is merely a symptom of the pervasive Marxist anti-white anti-west ideology through our entire society. From education, to government.
Though as i have said. Fascist (not a right wing) radicals will be more, and more common.
These people, Like the shooter, are a symptom of the globalist marxist agenda. The fact that the far left is mainsteam world wide will only breed this more, and more. You being one who champions the ideals believe you have no cause in this rise, but it is specifically because of you, and the leaders you champion.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:25 am to bmy
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Right wing radicalization*
How do you quantify this?
Oh, thats right, you can't.
So it's just a bullshite buzzword talking point for you to parrot
You're so fun to slap around, like a little bitch.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:27 am to Trevaylin
quote:no they dont.
The UN keeps track of terror attack fatalities worldwide.
quote:no it isnt.
Rate is down by 50% over the last two years.
quote:no it doesnt.
Amounts to 45000 lives saved
quote:oh boy.
Could it be a result of Trump foreign policy.
EDIT: ftr...
1. youre presumably referring to the Global Terrorism Database, which has no connection to the UN.
2. there hasnt been a report for 2018 yet, so "last two years" would actually be 2016 and 2017.
2016 = The fourth edition of Global Terrorism Index was published in November 2016. The study covered analysis of 163 countries. Overall, the global GTI score decreased by six per cent.
2017 = The fifth edition of the Global Terrorism Index was published in November 2017. The study covered analysis of 163 countries. The global GTI scored decreased by four per cent.
3. "45,000" was the record setting TOTAL number of deaths. that was 2014. its gone down from 44,490 to 26,445.
the number of fatalities from terrorist attacks in the US however, is going up.
1980 = 15 deaths in the US
1981 = 8
1982 = 11
1983 = 8
1984 = 3
1985 = 3
1986 = 1
1987 = 1
1988 = 1
1989 = 3
1990 = 5
1991 = 2
1992 = 2
1993 = no data
1994 = 10
1995 = 178
1996 = 2
1997 = 2
1998 = 4
1999 = 20
2000 = 0
2001 = 3,008
2002 = 4
2003 = 0
2004 = 0
2005 = 0
2006 = 1
2007 = 0
2008 = 2
2009 = 18
2010 = 4
2011 = 0
2012 = 7
2013 = 23
2014 = 26
2015 = 54
2016 = 68
2017 = 95
so since 1980, weve only had more than 20 deaths twice (Oklahoma City and 9/11) and it had never gone up more than two straight years. then in 2013 it started at 23 and has grown every year since.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 11:06 am
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:35 am to TBoy
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All racism, hate and violence is the image of the Democratic Party. All historical oppressors are the image of the Democratic Party.
Correct:
KKK
Jim Crow
Citizen Internment
Not supporting the CRA
Shouting down opposing views on college campuses
Violent protest against opponents
Fascism was adored by FDR.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:56 am to CDawson
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Jim Crow
Citizen Internment
Not supporting the CRA
Shouting down opposing views on college campuses
Violent protest against opponents
Fascism was adored by FDR.
Please, keep doing the "Dems are the Real Racists" thing. It's very effective and not at all retarded.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:01 am to MrCarton
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Please, keep doing the "Dems are the Real Racists" thing. It's very effective and not at all retarded.
Facts are hard to deal with in a debate. Show me where the Democrats are not the party of the racist.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:07 am to CDawson
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Facts are hard to deal with in a debate. Show me where the Democrats are not the party of the racist.
What if I showed you that the hero of the Republican party was a white nationalist?
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 11:07 am
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:12 am to Rougarou13
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Fascism requires a strong central govt. one of the main tenants of conservatism is small govt. how do you figure fascism is right wing?
How you morons keep assuming that right-wing means "small-government laissez-faire capitalist" is beyond me. The traditional notion of conservationism also includes monarchical systems as well as reliance on the church. Hence why the three Fascist negations are anti-conservative (as in the church and monarchs), anti-liberalism (or materialism) and anti-communism. Fascist groups were more willing to work with traditional conservatives (like in Austria) or the church (like in Italy) or with big business or with socialists off-shoots, like the syndicalists. Your notion is one type of right-wing belief, but if we are using the spectrum model, it's closer to the center-right, while fascists are generally considered the hard right. This discussion itself shows the limits of using the spectrum debate, but nonetheless, if we are using those terms, we should be strict with them. My view is that modern governmental ideology is all a buffet, and groups pick and choose what they like with little thought of the historical justification, which the shooter's manifesto supports 100%. What I actually saw in the shooter's manifesto was something I've seen in the literature of Islamist terror groups, especially Muslim Brotherhood, hearkening for a lost past with no idea how to get there. In that sense, Islamists and ethnonationalists are closer to one another than those ethnonationalists are to market liberals for example.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:14 am to MrCarton
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I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.
quote:
I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people.
Omg, republicans r the real raciss. Facts and logic, btfo.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:16 am to crazy4lsu
Welp, pretty hard to argue against what you just said.
Politards BTFO.
Politards BTFO.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:17 am to CDawson
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Fascism was adored by FDR.
No it wasn't. See this speech to Congress.
quote:
The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.
His definition is closer to something like a junta or an oligarchy, but those both, especially the former, have explicit authoritarian and martial tendencies espoused by the fascists.
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:34 am to MrCarton
Watch how crazy these guys will get when I saw that Islamic terrorism is a right-wing phenomenon. The overlaps in terms of themes between Islamist literature and ethnonationalist literature was surprising even to me. Both show massive amounts of chauvinism, and both represent world orders that never existed in reality save for representations of them in certain media. Both tend to exploit young men who feel untethered to their immediate world, but otherwise seem well-adjusted. There is little consideration of class dynamics, which range from denying they exist to outright ignoring them. There is rarely ever a cogent economic philosophy.
One of the key elements is always a version of weaponized nostalgia, which portrays the past as simpler and less complicated. I'd even argue that within something explicitly religious, like the Islamists, there is a deep cynicism and nihilism that drives the violence, as I think that cynicism is a result of realizing they couldn't work within political systems and thus had to resort to violence, which is a deeply cynical move. That they rarely consider the effects of that violence shows some of that nihilism too.
This woman named Deeyah Khan did a documentary on Islamists and white supremacists, which I hope is the starting off point for more discussions about the overlaps. Because if we see the same societal "malaise" for lack of a better word, in remarkably different societies, what is the cause? The Marxists would most definitely say that it is the fault of capital, because of its notions of constant revolutions, which preserved nothing. I imagine a Marxist would say that because what one attempts to conserve each generation becomes meaningless when so much changes so quickly.
I don't know if I would agree with that, because I think the answer might be something more primal, something to do with our biology perhaps. But I think there is a connection there worth studying.
One of the key elements is always a version of weaponized nostalgia, which portrays the past as simpler and less complicated. I'd even argue that within something explicitly religious, like the Islamists, there is a deep cynicism and nihilism that drives the violence, as I think that cynicism is a result of realizing they couldn't work within political systems and thus had to resort to violence, which is a deeply cynical move. That they rarely consider the effects of that violence shows some of that nihilism too.
This woman named Deeyah Khan did a documentary on Islamists and white supremacists, which I hope is the starting off point for more discussions about the overlaps. Because if we see the same societal "malaise" for lack of a better word, in remarkably different societies, what is the cause? The Marxists would most definitely say that it is the fault of capital, because of its notions of constant revolutions, which preserved nothing. I imagine a Marxist would say that because what one attempts to conserve each generation becomes meaningless when so much changes so quickly.
I don't know if I would agree with that, because I think the answer might be something more primal, something to do with our biology perhaps. But I think there is a connection there worth studying.
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