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re: Right To Work at the Chattanooga VW Plant
Posted on 1/3/17 at 5:17 pm to WhiskeyPapa
Posted on 1/3/17 at 5:17 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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They voted against their own best interests.
Every lower to middle class republican should have this stamped on their forhead, could help
Posted on 1/3/17 at 5:52 pm to Lakeboy7
It may surprise dems. But lots of people vote on principle.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 5:58 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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They voted against their own best interests.
Since you are all knowing tell me what my best interests are.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 6:03 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Chris Brooks is a graduate student in the Labor Studies program at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and an organizer living in Chattanooga."
In other words, the entire article is bullshite written by the above candy arse.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 6:07 pm to gthog61
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Since you are all knowing tell me what my best interests are.
Stop posting and toward the light
Posted on 1/3/17 at 6:21 pm to member12
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quote:FYI Volkswagen corporate wanted the workers to unionizeThey wanted a German-style works council. They did not want the cancer that is the UAW any more than any other automaker does. The UAW deepens the divide between labor and management everywhere they operate.
One of the deciding factors in the plant being built in Chattanooga instead of Alabama was Gov. Riley's anti union stance. VW executives admitted this when it was announced Chattanooga won.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:09 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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“If we had had a union, [what happened to me] would never have happened,” she said.
What happened to her??
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:37 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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They voted against their own best interests
You're living 50 years in the past.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:41 pm to Jake88
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In other words, the entire article is bullshite written by the above candy arse.
I'm pretty sure the OP is some kind of union rep.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 9:33 pm to member12
The UAW is a cancer, but not all unions are created equal. Like almost everything else in life, extremes at either end of the spectrum create issues. I have been a member of an in-house union for almost 20 years at a privately held company which I think has been beneficial to my family, and my company. Growing up in the Deep South, and after spending twenty years in the military, I was very apprehensive about being in a union. It became apparent very early on that a union centered on balancing fairness for employees, along with ensuring profitability for the company is a positive thing for all sides.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 9:47 pm to BugAC
Amanda would never make it working as a contract employee on a pipeline.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 9:55 pm to WhiskeyPapa
You are probably one of those union pos thugs. frick you and your unions
Posted on 1/3/17 at 9:58 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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Besides, a union might attract minorities.
A lot of minorities work at non-unionized companies. Not sure why you keep pushing this bogus meme, but it's killing what little credibility you have.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:25 pm to fly2fish
Private sector unions in and of themselves are a net neutral economic and moral entity. I think that's important to understand for all here.
There are some fantastic unions out there that simultaneously manage to both ensure quality working conditions and solid pay AND add value to their firm.
Then you have organizations like the UAW, the tobacco unions, and many others who have a generation's worth of spectacular failure, corruption, and incompetence that do little else but suck value out of the economy and ensure American economic failure. The UAW halcyon days of the 1980's when workers were often high, drunk, and soliciting prostitutes on the job are fresh in many minds.
The difference always is in the company context, the culture and size of the union, the specifics of the organized labor contracts, and so forth. Union analogs analogs in other countries can work pretty damn well (Germany, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Japan) or be horrific drains on their economies (France, Italy, Spain, Latin America, Britain to an extent).
Public sector unions should be illegal. I am right now witnessing first-hand, step by step, the horrid nature of these beasts here in Chicago.
There are some fantastic unions out there that simultaneously manage to both ensure quality working conditions and solid pay AND add value to their firm.
Then you have organizations like the UAW, the tobacco unions, and many others who have a generation's worth of spectacular failure, corruption, and incompetence that do little else but suck value out of the economy and ensure American economic failure. The UAW halcyon days of the 1980's when workers were often high, drunk, and soliciting prostitutes on the job are fresh in many minds.
The difference always is in the company context, the culture and size of the union, the specifics of the organized labor contracts, and so forth. Union analogs analogs in other countries can work pretty damn well (Germany, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Japan) or be horrific drains on their economies (France, Italy, Spain, Latin America, Britain to an extent).
Public sector unions should be illegal. I am right now witnessing first-hand, step by step, the horrid nature of these beasts here in Chicago.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:40 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Well put Abu. There's good and then there's the dreadfully corrupt. I'm a (weary) twenty year member of a private sector union - which, though a pain in my arse (in a RTW state) is harmless and does a net good to it's members at no cost to taxpayers.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:51 pm to Loserman
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There is no 'union' in the culture of Tennessee. They voted against their own best interests.
And Volkswagen as a global company can decided to transfer the manufacture of those cars to a plant somewhere else if they do.
VW management actually encourages the formation of a union. It is part of their structure. Union members sit on VW's board.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:25 am to LSU80 USF08
That's a very different context. Workers' councils aren't really very much like how American unions work. Apples and oranges.
Again, context is everything, and the American automotive unions have been nothing but adversarial succubi for forty years, German workers councils actually add value to their companies; their organizational structure is such that they, generally, make their companies more productive over time, and they work hand in hand with management in every single thing they do. Like, they actually put the best interests of the company ahead of their own near-sighted organizational interests ahead of their own more often than not. They understand that the shareholders ultimately own the production and the capital and the strategy of the company, not the peon everyday worker.
Again, context is everything, and the American automotive unions have been nothing but adversarial succubi for forty years, German workers councils actually add value to their companies; their organizational structure is such that they, generally, make their companies more productive over time, and they work hand in hand with management in every single thing they do. Like, they actually put the best interests of the company ahead of their own near-sighted organizational interests ahead of their own more often than not. They understand that the shareholders ultimately own the production and the capital and the strategy of the company, not the peon everyday worker.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They voted against their own best interests
You're living 50 years in the past.
That is about right. Fifty years ago people saw the value of Unions.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:32 am to FooManChoo
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Besides, a union might attract minorities.
You seem like a terrible person and I feel bad for you.
Awww... I am not right about everything. Only everything I have an opinion on, which is almost everything.
Want a raise? Join a union
Union membership still pays...at least in terms of higher wages.
The typical union worker made $970 a week in 2014, compared to $763 for non-union workers, according to the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics data.
That 27% spread has remained relatively constant at least since 2000, when the agency started tracking the data.
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To be sure, not everyone wants to be stuck in a union contract, which dictates many work rules in addition to pay. Some prefer to bargain individually for their wage and annual raises.
Still, union workers continue to command a substantial wage premium in their fields, said Lance Compa, senior lecturer at Cornell's ILR School, which focuses on labor relations. Unionized registered nurses make an average of $75,000 a year, while their non-union peers make $60,000, for instance."
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