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re: Respect for Marriage Act passed by Senate. Goes to House for final vote.

Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:31 pm to
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A state certainly has no right to end marriage. The right to marry is one of the fundamental rights of this country.
Polygamy is illegal. Yet it occurs. The state legally recognizes one wife. The other women in residence are ignored. As such, they are denied the legal right to marry the man they'd like to marry. If the state chooses, it can sever the physical relationship altogether, with imprisonment.

1st cousins are another example of states control of marriage. In about half the country, 1st cousin marriages are illegal. In the other half, 1st cousin marriage is legal and permitted.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:34 pm to
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marriage is a Constitutionally protected right that a state cannot simply come in and ban it.
False.
In 24 states, the marriage of first cousins is illegal.

In 19 states, first cousins are permitted to wed.

7 additional states allow first-cousin marriage but with conditions.

LINK
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
1013 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:40 pm to
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Polygamy is illegal. Yet it occurs. The state legally recognizes one wife. The other women in residence are ignored. As such, they are denied the legal right to marry the man they'd like to marry. If the state chooses, it can sever the physical relationship altogether, with imprisonment.

1st cousins are another example of states control of marriage. In about half the country, 1st cousin marriages are illegal. In the other half, 1st cousin marriage is legal and permitted.

None of those are outlawing marriage itself. In the first example that is not between two consenting adults and the second example should be allowed.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:42 pm to
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It means that marriage is a Constitutionally protected right

Marriage is not a constitutionally protected right. What are you talking about?
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
1013 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:44 pm to
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It means that marriage is a Constitutionally protected right

Marriage is not a constitutionally protected right. What are you talking about?

Many Supreme Court Justices along with the Current Chief Justice would disagree with you.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:44 pm to
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None of those are outlawing marriage itself.
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the second example should be allowed
Yet 24 "of those are outlawing marriage itself," which you claimed could not occur. It does, and it can.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:45 pm to
It's not constitutionally protected.

I don't know why people would be against at least civil unions for everyone. Marriage generally has a stabilizing affect on society.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:45 pm to
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Many Supreme Court Justices along with the Current Chief Justice would disagree with you.

Where is marriage in the Constitution?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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296525 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:47 pm to

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Many Supreme Court Justices along with the Current Chief Justice would disagree with you.


Activists, sure.
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
1013 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:48 pm to
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Many Supreme Court Justices along with the Current Chief Justice would disagree with you.

Where is marriage in the Constitution?

A right that a citizen has does not need to be explicitly written in the Constitution for it to be protected.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:51 pm to
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This bill does nothing of the sort no matter how many times you repeat that.


And there's no CRT in the curriculum.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:53 pm to
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And there's no CRT in the curriculum.


Exactly.

I wish I had as much faith in Politicians and Judges as bootlickers like Mickey.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:53 pm to
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Well what are we talking about here? This specific bill.
It has not passed, Mickey.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:53 pm to
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A right that a citizen has does not need to be explicitly written in the Constitution for it to be protected.

You can go get married. The state is not obligated to provide you any benefits or support based on your marital status. They don't have to recognize it. They don't have to make any allowances whatsoever. When you get done hyperventilating and calm down, try to read slower. You don't get to force everyone else to care about your boyfriend.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:55 pm to
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It has not passed, Mickey.


And it will be used and abused like a cheap whore before it DOES go before a final vote.

Hell, with Democrats in control, there will be changes to the Bill AFTER it is passed.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296525 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:58 pm to
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right that a citizen has does not need to be explicitly written in the Constitution for it to be protected.


Lol...

Someone doesn't understand true democracy where the 51% can vote to kill the 49%
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:01 pm to
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A right that a citizen has does not need to be explicitly written in the Constitution for it to be protected.
As we found with Roe, a right does not need to exist at all in the Constitution for it to be protected.

Tell me about the rights of two 18y/o's to elope and marry in Nebraska. Tell me about the right of an 11y/o w/ parental consent to marry a 30y/o in California. How about, the right of that 11y/o w/ parental consent to marry a 30y/o in Arkansas.

How does the US Constitution address those "rights"?
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 3:56 pm
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
1013 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:03 pm to
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right that a citizen has does not need to be explicitly written in the Constitution for it to be protected.


Lol...

Someone doesn't understand true democracy where the 51% can vote to kill the 49%

Luckily we aren't a true Democracy. It's amazing that all of these "conservatives" are all about giving all their rights to the state and federal government, but somehow argue that citizens do not have rights specifically reserved for them. Of course, they are also arguing against people like James Madison who wrote a document called the Bill of Rights.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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135588 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:06 pm to
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Tell me about the rights of two 18y/o's to elope and marry in Nebraska. Tell me about the right of an 11y/o w/ parental consent to marry a 30y/o in California. How about, the right of that 11y/o w/ parental consent to marry a 30y/o in Arkansas.

How does the US Constitution address those "rights"?
Here's the cheatsheet:

Tell me about the rights of two 18y/o's to elope and marry in Nebraska. Illegal.

Tell me about the right of an 11y/o w/ parental consent to marry a 30y/o in California. Legal.

How about, the right of that 11y/o w/ parental consent to marry a 30y/o in Arkansas. Illegal.

How does the US Constitution address those "rights"? It doesn't.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 1:11 pm to
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Well what are we talking about here? This specific bill.
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It has not passed, Mickey.

Hence Mick’s use of the word “bill” rather than “statute.”
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