re: Replacing Social Welfare Programs with a Min Income Payment

So, here is the bottom line dilemma/question, SF:

First, given that nobody wants to work to support somebody who don't...who ends up working? All the working folk on the bottom of the earning scale will just drop out to get the min subsidy...requiring more (taxes) from those on up the line. Economic death spiral. Not to mention the breach of an implied social contract wherein ALL people who get something out of the kitty...put SOMETHING in. Won't fly...for long.

Second...the Democrats are already pushing the economic EQUALITY meme; does anybody think that once entitlement-minded individuals get that paltry little old check, while the *rich* go shopping...that they will be content with that 'injustice'?

I know where you are coming from; having read the book "Abundance"...I was pretty optimistic, and realized that a new economic model is on the way. But there is a SPIRITUAL/moral dynamic to the whole economic/social mechanism. Both the Laws of Nature and the Laws of God are 'designed'/implemented to accomplish ONE thing. To create a VIABLE and positive character in the lifeforms who live under those Laws. Survival and prosperity of the FIT.

Any set of Principles/Laws/Policies which only insures survivability...but offers no promotion or guarantee of the POSTITIVE CHARACTER of the people who are subsidized/created...is a road to perdition. We'll end up being overrun by heathen. And neither Mother Nature or God will long tolerate such a scenario. There is a failsafe wrote into this design...Liberal good intentions nws.

I've never argued against charity...I support QUALIFIED charity (government subsidies). When the Progs inform their ignorant supporters/voting base of exactly what will be required from THEM, instead of accusing the responsible and productive folk of being uncharitable...then I'll get behind them. My guess is that I won't see that day, until AFTER the whole thing collapses and real vision takes hold.

Good post!

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Provided ObamaCare remains. If not - people with certain pre-existing conditions will wind up with a lot more than 15k a year in expenses w/o Medicaid. Hemopheliacs and HIV patients come to mind.

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A tangential issue, re your comment on HIV, Spidey: The ACA punishes/taxes smokers for indulging in an injurious behavior...will the ACA target homosexual behavior, as such ups the chances for HIV, big time?

Just wondering what you think.

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i wouldn't want to "slum it" at the poverty level

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Obviously, SF. But there are a ton who would, and do. My family is full of em'.


...there will be fewer jobs in 30 years per capita. what do we do then?


We have a helluva attitude adjustment/education to go through before we can even begin to imagine what will be 30 years from now...and I am not optimistic that such an education can be learned/implemented...the 'easy' way. I think that "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak" (Biblical). We voted Obama in because we BELIEVED in what altruistic Principles he stood for. But a chain is only as strong as it's weakest links. He chose to MANIPULATE those weak links against political opposition, instead of EDUCATE them. Bad choice = bad consequences; yet to come.

Hopefully, we'll get an honest leadership when we stand on the abyss...and we can step back. I like to think that our Poliboard is doin the Lord's work. But I might be delusional.

Gotta paint.

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