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re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation

Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:39 pm to
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:39 pm to
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Simulation theory is one of many things we can lean on to prove God. Even if it turns out to not be true, you can still prove the triune God’s existence by other means.
God doesn't want you to prove He exists, and He doesn't want you to know He exists.

Step one is you must believe He exists

believe

read that ten thousand times until it sinks in.
Posted by Swampcat
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:44 pm to
Whatever
Posted by AlterEd
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:45 pm to
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Your post mixes together real scientific concepts, speculative philosophy, New Age spirituality, and biblical language as if they all prove each other. They do not.


I never said that they do.

As for the rest, they're just my thoughts and I couldn't care less if you don't agree. I know my thoughts aren't well received among fundamentalist Christian types. And I don't care.

Cheers
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:46 pm to
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I'm sure they didn't have much else to do on the ark but to shovel shite off into the ocean and feed animals. There is a supernatural essence to the story, so there may have been a supernatural element to how the animals survived.


Or it’s just a made up story.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:47 pm to
This type of disclosure would not shake my faith because it’s exactly the type of deception I’m expecting for the end times.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:50 pm to
If God does not want people to know He exists, why does Scripture repeatedly say creation reveals Him? Romans 1 says God’s invisible attributes are clearly seen through what has been made. Psalm 19 says the heavens declare the glory of God. Isaiah repeatedly has God giving signs and prophecy so people “may know that I am He.”

Christianity is not “believe without reason.” It is trust grounded in revelation, reason, history, and evidence. Also, “you must believe first” does not solve the truth question. Every religion on earth could say that. Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, anyone. Belief by itself does not make something true…. and ironically, if his position were correct, apologetics, miracles, prophecy, the resurrection evidence, and even Scripture itself would make little sense because all of them are presented as reasons to believe.

Biblically, God is hidden enough to preserve free will, but revealed enough that people can genuinely seek and find Him. Those are not contradictions.
Posted by RCDfan1950
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:53 pm to
Ed, a question? What if Alien Beings were to appear and do an exemplary exhibition of a ‘Resurrection’ of a dead person? Star Trek version. How would that affect your Faith?

I remember that End Times prophecy speaks of “miracles” on the part of the Dark Side.
Posted by AlterEd
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Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:53 pm to
And by the way, you're just flat frickin wrong about this part here.

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That is also where this breaks from historic Christianity entirely. Jesus did not teach that all humans possess an inner divinity equal to His own nature. In Christianity, Christ’s miracles are tied to His divine identity and authority, not to discovering hidden cosmic abilities within ourselves. The “you will do greater works” passage is about the spread of the Gospel through the Church, not humans unlocking supernatural godhood through consciousness expansion.



Jesus is very clear that those of true faith can perform miracles like he did. Healing the sick, raising the dead, etc. Multiple references throughout the Bible.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:56 pm to
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What if Alien Beings were to appear and do an exemplary exhibition of a ‘Resurrection’ of a dead person? Star Trek version. How would that affect your Faith?


Well, considering Jesus is far from the only person reported to be able to do this throughout history, it wouldn't surprise me. Apparently it is an ability latent in those who are made in the image of God (all of us).

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I remember that End Times prophecy speaks of “miracles” on the part of the Dark Side.


These things have been done throughout history. Do you believe everyone who did them other than Jesus was of "the dark side?" I sure as hell don't.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:56 pm to
Fair enough. If you are presenting them as personal speculation rather than established conclusions, then we are closer than it first sounded.

My point was simply that once scientific concepts, spirituality, and biblical language start getting blended together, people often begin treating the combination as mutually reinforcing even when the logical connections are not actually demonstrated.

For what it is worth, this is not really a “fundamentalist Christian” issue. Historic Christianity in general has always rejected the idea that humans possess an inner divine nature or latent godhood. That distinction between Creator and creature is one of the central dividing lines between Christianity and Gnostic style systems… but I can respect the honesty of “these are just my thoughts” far more than people who present speculation as settled fact.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:58 pm to
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God isn't a bureaucrat who demands a vocab test to get into heaven.. If an alien follows truth and love, they are responding to the Logos,the same Word we know as Jesus,even without a human history book..



I don't think anyone should assume that an alien is given the same grace that God has given us.

Animals aren't given that grace.

Why are you and SFP starting from that assumption?
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 4:58 pm to
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Historic Christianity in general has always rejected the idea that humans possess an inner divine nature or latent godhood.


Well this simply isn't true given that numerous people have performed such miracles throughout history.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 5:01 pm
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2444 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:03 pm to
That still does not get you to “humans possess inner divinity” or “latent godhood.” In Christianity, miracles performed by believers are understood as acts of God working through human beings, not humans accessing divine powers from within themselves. That distinction matters…

The apostles healing the sick is not presented as “they discovered their hidden cosmic nature.” It is presented as God acting through them by His authority and Spirit. Even Peter explicitly rejects personal divine power in Acts 3:12: “Why do you stare at us, as though by our own power or piety we made him walk?” That verse alone cuts directly against the framework you are proposing.

So yes… Christianity absolutely teaches that God can work miracles through believers. What it does not teach is that humans are inherently divine beings who can unlock Christ-like powers through expanded consciousness or realization of inner divinity. Those are two very different systems.
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
10382 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:04 pm to
Oh, yes, they must be referring to that classic quote in the book of Hallucinations 5:67, “and so Kieth was told by the dude in the black jacket, ‘Like nah bruh, it was just light from Saturn bouncing off swamp gas and stuff’”
Posted by ForTheWin81
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:07 pm to
Are you asking why they read it? They believe it's Canon, many people in the new testament referenced the book of Enoch including Jesus. Enoch was considered Canon in Jesus time
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:08 pm to
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Either The Creator always existed, or the creation always existed. I am going to go with The Creator.


I tend to agree with this. It’s still interesting to me to hear what others think about it.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2444 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:09 pm to
No it wasn’t. And just because it was referenced does not mean it was divinely inspired. Strictly historically relevant for some things.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:09 pm to
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That still does not get you to “humans possess inner divinity” or “latent godhood.” In Christianity, miracles performed by believers are understood as acts of God working through human beings, not humans accessing divine powers from within themselves. That distinction matters…


No, that distinction does not matter because it's a distinction Christians make up out of thin air. It would be a valid point if only the Saints will have been recorded performing miracles, but this is also far from the case. Such "miracles" have been documented and reported from people of all walks of life throughout history. Christianity is not special in this regard.

It's also cute how Christians will try to tell you that the Saints have performed miracles but when you point out to them that people from other faiths who don't recognize Jesus at all have done similar things they'll deny it.

No, Christianity isnt special in this regard and these things are latent abilities all humans possess and this is why the Bible says we are made in the likeness of God. You may not like it, but that appears to be the way it is. Deal with it.
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
11997 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:12 pm to
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No it wasn’t.


Yes it was. The book of Jude literally opens up quoting from Enoch. Which means Jude expected his audience to be familiar with it.

It is still canon in Ethiopia today.

Again, sorry you don't like it, but that's the way it is. Deal with it.
Posted by Canon951
Member since May 2020
620 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 5:14 pm to
[quote]The Blood of Jesus is not a get out of jail free card for willful sinners nor is it an excused to sin and not amend ones ways. That is the one sin the Jesus himself said was unforgivable in this life or the next.[/quote]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this one. Do you just make up doctrine or post what you "think"?

Edit..I responded to myself, but this is intended for Snipe who attacks eternal security and makes up doctrine.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 5:22 pm
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