re: “Relevant Statistics” Thread

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How many times do you think you'd have to multiply the white population by in order to get to 550,000 acts of WoB violence?

Never mind what the new BoW number would get to in that case (you admit that it would likely rise with an increase in potential victims.)

The creator of the graphic seems to think that number is close to 1.7 billion. It seems like you believe doubling to about 400 million would increase the number of WoB instances of violence 9 times.

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Think about the question you are asking. You are asking by how much we should scale up the white population in order to reach 550,000 acts of WoB violence, when it would make more sense to ask by how much we should scale up the black population to reach 550k acts of WoB violence. If the populations are out of proportion and a related statistic is also out of proportion, what makes you think that the solution to equalizing the statistic lies in throwing the population more out of proportion?

Think about it this way: what if there were only 550k black people in the whole country? How many white people would be required in order for whites to victimize all of them in one year? The answer approaches infinity. It is simply impossible to victimize 100% of a population in one year without all-out war. As the black population scales up, fewer and fewer whites are required in order to victimize 550k of them.

Put another way, what if white crime rates remained the same, only instead of 5 times fewer blacks (33m vs 171m whites), there were 5 times as many blacks as whites (850m vs 171m whites)? Whites commit 2.7 million violent crimes per year, and only 60k of them are toward blacks. How do you think that 60k would change if there were suddenly 25X as many blacks as before? Anyone want to take a stab at that one? (Pun intended )

You said you loved statistics, yet everything you're arguing is based on your opinion of soft variables. Your entire problem in this thread is not that someone pointed out the proclivity to violence as a factor of population, it's that you are mad someone isn't agreeing that if you flipped the population sizes, so to would the violent crime stats flip. You can argue that, but you would have nothing but feelings to back it up.

Here is a simple analogy to get you to at least admit that the math is fine, it's the social side being ignored that you don't like (which is fine if you're honest about it.)

1oz of C4 destroys 9 city blocks
5oz of TNT destroys 1 city block

Which one is more dangerous, and by how much?

Now, we can talk about the soft variables that could impact the "violence factor" like the mentality caused by the disproportionate populations, integration/interaction, etc. But I got to say, the violent crime statistics between other races (BoA/AoB, BoH/HoB, etc.) also provide some insight that may counter your argument.

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Put another way, what if white crime rates remained the same, only instead of 5 times fewer blacks (33m vs 171m whites), there were 5 times as many blacks as whites (850m vs 171m whites)? Whites commit 2.7 million violent crimes per year, and only 60k of them are toward blacks. How do you think that 60k would change if there were suddenly 25X as many blacks as before? Anyone want to take a stab at that one?

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Are we assuming that the white population is just as violent, or do we have to assume that whites would suddenly become 25x more violent? As it stands, BoW crime accounts for 15% of violent crimes against a white victim. BoA crime, for example, accounts for 27.5% of violent crimes against an Asian victim. Am I to assume that a black population larger than that of another race will be less violent, the same, or more, as a percent of total violent crimes against? Blacks commit 1.15 million violent crimes per year. What would that number look like if you multiplied the population by 25? Also of note, blacks are the only demographic population that is an offender in more cases than they are a victim. Would that change simply if they were a different proportion of overall population?

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That data helps me draw the same conclusions as looking at all the graphics together. Thanks.

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You have been deceived into believing you are drawing the right conclusion.

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Stop with the bullshite complaining about the way the stats are presented

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The complaint is with the way the stats are manipulated.

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You do realize you are presenting the same logical fallacy you are attempting to exploit?

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No, I'm not.

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You have made no substantive comments about the conclusions that can be drawn

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That's because it's impossible to draw the type of conclusion this board so badly wants to draw.

The conclusions that can be drawn are plainly laid out in the data. The rates of violence are what they are, and they don't exist in a vacuum. If you change one variable, all the rest change. They depend on each other.

Any attempt to draw this sort of "what if" conclusion as attempted in the graphic requires a model, not simple arithmetic.

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I love watching an idiot make a fool out of himself.

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You don't even understand what's going on here. You have not even attempted to dispute what I am saying because you know that you can't.

You have not even made one single topical comment. Every post from you is either a gif or an insult aimed at me.

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That's because it's impossible to draw the type of conclusion this board so badly wants to draw.

The conclusions that can be drawn are plainly laid out in the data. The rates of violence are what they are, and they don't exist in a vacuum. If you change one variable, all the rest change. They depend on each other.

Any attempt to draw this sort of "what if" conclusion as attempted in the graphic requires a model, not simple arithmetic.

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I don’t need you to draw a “what if” conclusion. Any sort of conclusion would be sufficient. Don’t talk to me about variables or models, you posted the data, what do you make of it?

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You have been deceived into believing you are drawing the right conclusion.

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Oh please. Blacks commit more violent crime than other races relative to their population. It’s in the data you posted, see Table 12, and it’s in the graphics on the first page.

And in terms of interracial violence, what do you make of Table 14?

Remember the premise here is that there is a disproportionate amount of violence toward blacks from whites which can be attributed to racism. Is that premise supported by the data?

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You don't even understand what's going on here. You have not even attempted to dispute what I am saying because you know that you can't. You have not even made one single topical comment. Every post from you is either a gif or an insult aimed at me.

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You love to assume things, that's for sure.

You are the type of person who thinks that if you raise your voice high enough it improves your argument. Paragraph after paragraph

Wait, you're actually upset about perceived insults? Let's see who is actually doing that.

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No, little bitches make up lies about other people and repeat them page after page.

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You have nothing but lies. Zero honesty and zero integrity. And zero balls to address address the truth.

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What a fricking pathetic little man you are.

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Grow some balls and post some nonsense like OP did here on a less conservative board and let me know how that goes.

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Let me know when you decide to stop being a pussy and admit the truth.

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Man, you are worse than an emotional woman.

You want to fall on your sword on this, by all means, go right ahead.

Hopefully you'll refrain from upvoting your posts (twice) now. No one on here agrees with you.
Back to using your alter again. It's why it takes you so long to respond. You really think anyone gives a shite if you downvote them (twice)

Have a nice day

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Calm your feelings. I'm not the one shitting on you ITT. You're getting pounded by others and taking it out on the person trying to simply have a discussion between work meetings. Lord.

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I think he just wants someone to believe him or maybe he needs a hug

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I don’t need you to draw a “what if” conclusion.

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That's exactly the type of conclusion you are trying to draw by "normalizing" data with dependent variables.

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Any sort of conclusion would be sufficient.

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That's about fricking right. "ANY conclusion that I draw is valid." Jesus.

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Don’t talk to me about variables or models

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you posted the data, what do you make of it?

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I've told you time and time again what I make of it. And it is all clearly laid out in the data if you care to read it.

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Oh please. Blacks commit more violent crime than other races relative to their population. It’s in the data you posted, see Table 12, and it’s in the graphics on the first page.

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Yep, never denied that. I have agreed with that fact several times. I have probably said that blacks commit crime at over twice the rate of whites at least half a dozen times in this thread.

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And in terms of interracial violence, what do you make of Table 14?

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Table 14 shows that there is a strong correlation between the size of the potential victim population and the percentage of crime committed against them.

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Remember the premise here is that there is a disproportionate amount of violence toward blacks from whites which can be attributed to racism.

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That is not MY premise. MY premise is that the statement "blacks commit 45X more violence against whites" is deceitful, malicious, and straight up false. It is an intentionally misleading conclusion drawn using bunk math that ignores the nature of dependent variables.