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re: Rand Paul and foreign policy

Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:52 pm to
Posted by Zed
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:52 pm to
I don't want to withdraw completely from the world and wash our hands of everything. Only thing that really worries me about Rand.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:52 pm to
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Rand's appeal is he is the only guy that is actually for smaller government, and that includes abroad


How many US military installations in Europe, Balkans, etc would Rand Paul cut if he is elected President?

How would cutting our forces over there act as a deterrent to someone like Putin?
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 8:56 pm
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:53 pm to
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I don't want to withdraw completely from the world and wash our hands of everything. Only thing that really worries me about Rand.


The Paul family is just awful when it comes to foreign policy
Posted by TWD7105
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:54 pm to
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The Paul family is just awful when it comes to foreign policy



Or you posted quotes from two months ago made to look like they were this week.
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:54 pm to
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The Paul family is just awful when it comes to foreign policy


A noninterventionist policy is the best one.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:55 pm to
Rexcatur what's up? Have you by chance been looking a poon pics gleaned off the interwebs by Britain with the help of the NSA, you haven't been around a lot?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32648 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:57 pm to
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Have you by chance been looking a poon pics gleaned off the interwebs by Britain with the help of the NSA, you haven't been around a lot?


Been in Carcosa
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:57 pm to
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The Paul family is just awful when it comes to foreign policy

Do you agree with Jennifer Rubin's view on these matters?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32648 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:58 pm to
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Or you posted quotes from two months ago made to look like they were this week.


I believe that's from within the last week
Posted by TWD7105
Member since Feb 2014
130 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:59 pm to
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I believe that's from within the last week



The quote about the Cold War is specifically from back in January.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32648 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 8:59 pm to
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Do you agree with Jennifer Rubin's view on these matters?


I agree with Jennifer Rubin that the Paul family is just awful when it comes to foreign policy
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:00 pm to
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I prefer to think they might have found a more efficient means to perform the same tasks.

i think rand would reassess (with an eye towards cutting) which of our tasks are worthwhile, and that i'd be likely to agree with him on a great deal of what he'd decide on, once he actually bore the responsibility of defending the country.

the problem is that whatever movement we'd make toward non-interventionism would probably be seen as (and actually be) short-lived once his term(s) ended. and that would be a real problem imo. i still like him though
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90311 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:00 pm to
Sweet I was so looking forward to the poon pics thread. I really wanted to hear how it never really happened.
Posted by TheDoc
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99297 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:01 pm to
By awful you mean intelligent.

The current shitshow of a foreign policy that George W. Obama has kept going for decades is just one reason why 9/11 happened.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:01 pm to
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How many US military installations in Europe and the Baltics would Rand Paul cut if he is elected President?

How would cutting our forces over there act as a deterrent to someone like Putin?


I think the assumption is that America should be a deterrent in the first place. I will be the first to admit that I know little to nothing about Russian/Ukrainian relations. I do know that American military forces in Germany and Turkey have been critical for our efforts in the ME, and would undoubtedly be critical for our potential (and unlikely) participation in this recent crisis in Ukraine.

I question whether the juice is worth the squeeze in that regard. I am in no rush to participate in a modern conventional war no matter how easy forward bases might make that scenario. I personally think that without bases in Germany and Turkey, we could have executed our counter terrorist strategies in Afghanistan on a more limited and appropriate scale.

I am a military guy, I loved my time in, I love the community, I love the profession. What I don't love is America's foreign policy. I think we need to change the paradigm, even if it might be perceived as "weakness" at home and abroad. Your average citizen is completely unaware of what our most effective defense and intelligence mechanisms are, which in most cases is totally understandable. In my mind that makes it all the more necessary for our leaders to be responsible in matters of national security instead of chasing wildfires for the sake of appearances and political platform.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17924 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:02 pm to
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Rand thinks we should play nice with Putin


Yeah, not quite what he said, but thanks for playing.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12447 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:04 pm to
I think America's biggest threat is itself.

We are currently spending ourselves to death.

Putin is an ant compared to how shitty we can be to ourselves.
Posted by Zed
Member since Feb 2010
8315 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:04 pm to
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The Paul family is just awful when it comes to foreign policy
Rand seems a little more moderate than Ron, but I don't know how much of that is posturing.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138492 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:04 pm to
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How many US military installations in Europe and the Baltics would Rand Paul cut if he is elected President?
Hopefully, most of them.
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How would cutting our forces over there act as a deterrent to someone like Putin?
How would leaving them act as a deterrent? Good Lord fellow, you believe a US Naval Air Station 469mi from a bunch of 3rd world tent dwellers cannot serve as a deterrent to their attacking US assets.

How exactly would you propose US forces in Western Europe deter Putin from attacking non-US assets in countries adjacent to Russia?
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32648 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 9:06 pm to
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The quote about the Cold War is specifically from back in January.



quote:

"Some on our side are so stuck in the Cold War era that they want to tweak Russia all the time and I don't think that is a good idea," Paul said on Tuesday, in an interview with The Washington Post.


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