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re: Question: Why can't Trump send the Marines to protect the border?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 5:47 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 2/12/20 at 5:47 pm to AggieHank86
Again word games.
When those statutes were written the concept of floods of criminal aliens thumbing their noses at the law was something not even imagined. The thought of American politicians siding with those criminal aliens was even more unimaginable.
But why do you leftie liberals never answer direct, topic related questions?
Again..what do you suggest be done about this serious problem of illegal criminal aliens flooding into the country?
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 5:54 pm
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 5:52 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
1st offense - which is the majority
What are you basing that claim on?
quote:
Calling the southern border an "invasion of felons" is lazy at best
You're confused.
I never called the southern border an invasion of felons.
Thats absurd at best. The border is a geographical area and unable to commit any act..
quote:
Also, where do you get the "with the intent to commit more crimes" line?
You serious Clark.
Once here they have to. False ID, stolen SS numbers, fraudulent acquisition of benefits, etc.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 5:57 pm to Dale51
quote:What are you basing a refutation of that claim on?
What are you basing that claim on?
quote:Cute. Nice avoidance.
I never called the southern border an invasion of felons.
Thats absurd at best. The border is a geographical area and unable to commit any act..
quote:You're right. Once they're here, they have to aspire to committing the same grievous crimes as most American teenagers.
Once here they have to. False ID, stolen SS numbers, fraudulent acquisition of benefits, etc.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:09 pm to BestBanker
quote:No.
Illegals are aliens.
"Moved" here legally are not aliens.
"Moved" here illegally are aliens.
See 8 USC 1101 — Definitions
(a)(3) The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
(a)(15) The term “immigrant” means every alien except an alien who is within one of the following classes of nonimmigrant aliens (all of which are categories of foreigners legally-present in the US)
IOW, those within the vernacular term “illegal aliens” are both “aliens” AND “immigrants” for purposes of Title 8.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:18 pm to Dale51
quote:Again
Again..what do you suggest be done about this serious problem of illegal criminal aliens flooding into the country?
quote:But, back on topic
In very short form, a broad-based guest worker program with thorough vetting, accompanied by strict and swift enforcement against those who cross the border outside that program and zero governmental entitlements/benefits for either legal guest workers OR illegal immigrants.
quote:You are basically arguing that the words of statutes are meaningless. That is directly contrary to every rule of construction found in Anglo-American jurisprudence.
When those statutes were written the concept of floods of criminal aliens thumbing their noses at the law was something not even imagined. The thought of American politicians siding with those criminal aliens was even more unimaginable.
We are allowed to look to “legislative intent” ONLY when a statute is ambiguous. You fail to point to any ambiguity.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:24 pm to AggieHank86
I personally know Marine MP's who were sent out to the Mexican border about this time last year. I don't imagine they were there for logistical support.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:29 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
You are basically arguing that the words of statutes are meaningless
Wrong..no matter how much YOU believe it should be otherwise.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:32 pm to Dale51
quote:I am the one quoting the actual words of the relevant statutes, and it is you who is attempting to avoid them.quote:Wrong..no matter how much YOU believe it should be otherwise.
You are basically arguing that the words of statutes are meaningless
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:38 pm to Dale51
quote:Not necessarily.
Once here they have to. False ID, stolen SS numbers, fraudulent acquisition of benefits, etc.
quote:
The Law Is Unsettled as to Fake SSNs for Work
The law regarding the use of a fake SSN to obtain work isn't completely settled. Some courts have ruled that it is not a crime, and that in the absence of other offenses, the government may not deport an undocumented worker for using a false SSN. Other courts have issued different conclusions on the matter. In May 2009, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that a federal identity theft law frequently used to prosecute and deport undocumented workers cannot be used for that purpose if the worker used the SSN only to get a job.
Despite that ruling, several state courts continue to rule that using a fake Social Security number to get a job is a violation of state laws. Some of these rulings were overturned, but others were not. In 2010, the Colorado Supreme Court, for example, ruled against conviction, but later that year an Iowa Appellate Court upheld a similar case. In 2016, the U.S. Seventh Circuit further complicated the issue by concluding that, yes, using a fake SSN is a crime, but not a crime of moral turpitude. This ruling may have a significant effect on deportations of undocumented immigrants because committing a crime of moral turpitude is a legal element justifying deportation.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:41 pm to Dale51
quote:Then get the statutes changed.
When those statutes were written the concept of floods of criminal aliens thumbing their noses at the law was something not even imagined.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:45 pm to AggieHank86
Stealing a SSN to get a job is stealing. I can’t imagine why a court would say that is not grounds for deportation.
You came here illegally then you stole a SSN.
You came here illegally then you stole a SSN.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:49 pm to roadGator
quote:The legal analysis is interesting, but tedious for a layman, I am sure.
Stealing a SSN to get a job is stealing. I can’t imagine why a court would say that is not grounds for deportation
I know how you hate it when I get pedantic.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:51 pm to LSUA 75
quote:Yep, and they can wreck your shite.
The Coast Guard is an exception to the Posse Comitatus Act
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:54 pm to AggieHank86
Oh I don’t care if you do when not just being a contrarian.
Stealing seems like a great reason to deport someone who is here illegally.
I guess it’s too clear and some lawyer said frick that.
Stealing seems like a great reason to deport someone who is here illegally.
I guess it’s too clear and some lawyer said frick that.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:59 pm to roadGator
quote:Statutorily, a crime will support deportation only if it is a crime of “moral turpitude.”
Stealing seems like a great reason to deport someone who is here illegally.
The reasoning is that a clerical lie in order to gain employment does not involve “moral turpitude.”
You are not stealing anything when you use a fake SSN to get a job. Quite the opposite. You are putting money from Social Security deductions into the kitty, when you will never be getting that money back.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:01 pm to roadGator
quote:You committed a low-level misdemeanor and then MAYBE committed another misdemeanor. Again, many of you blowhards have committed tons of same-level misdemeanors in your lives and don't see bothered about your own lives of theft and immorality at all.
Stealing a SSN to get a job is stealing. I can’t imagine why a court would say that is not grounds for deportation.
You came here illegally then you stole a SSN.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:10 pm to AggieHank86
Considering that lie was to hide that you are here illegally and then use another’s ssn seems like a crime of moral turpitude to me.
I don’t see how anyone can argue otherwise.
If I release PII in an unauthorized manner I can face fines and jail time. Releasing another’s SSN is releasing PII and an illegal gets away with it? WTF is that shite?
I don’t see how anyone can argue otherwise.
If I release PII in an unauthorized manner I can face fines and jail time. Releasing another’s SSN is releasing PII and an illegal gets away with it? WTF is that shite?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:41 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I am the one quoting the actual words of the relevant statutes, and it is you who is attempting to avoid them.
Not avoiding anything. To me, your interpretation of those words is dated badly. Like an old southern plantation owner interpreting the word "boy".
It's a young male in my interpretation...you might call it something else.
Sad.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:45 pm to Dale51
quote:Seriously? Please explain how I have in any way twisted the following two statutory definitions:
To me, your interpretation of those words is dated badly. Like an old southern plantation owner interpreting the word "boy".
It's a young male in my interpretation...you might call it something else.
quote:please do show us the ambiguities in those definitions.
See 8 USC 1101 — Definitions
(a)(3) The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
(a)(15) The term “immigrant” means every alien except an alien who is within one of the following classes of nonimmigrant aliens (all of which are categories of foreigners legally-present in the US)
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:47 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
"Not necessarily".
Yet again with the word games.
Some might say you're not a serious person.
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