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re: Question to libs about prexisting conditions and high risk
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:02 am to BamaAtl
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:02 am to BamaAtl
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When you realize that health status in large part is decoupled from personal choice
you're 100% wrong, here, at least for non-elderly
diseases like diabetes, heart disease, and other major treatment-requiring conditions are heavily influenced by personal choice
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:03 am to BamaAtl
Again, you aren't advocating for insurance. You are advocating for the Federal Government to collect my money and ration care for me and those who contribute nothing as they see fit.
His example was regarding health insurance. My response was accurate.
Look, you don't want insurance. You want socialism. We are talking about and want different things.
I do wish you would be honest though and I wish those of your ilk would be honest.
Tell us how much of our money will make you happy?
Tell us if this is the last time you socialistic desires will be displayed. Promise that this is it. Promise that your desire to grow government is over with this experiment that I believe will fail or bankrupt the country if not both.
His example was regarding health insurance. My response was accurate.
Look, you don't want insurance. You want socialism. We are talking about and want different things.
I do wish you would be honest though and I wish those of your ilk would be honest.
Tell us how much of our money will make you happy?
Tell us if this is the last time you socialistic desires will be displayed. Promise that this is it. Promise that your desire to grow government is over with this experiment that I believe will fail or bankrupt the country if not both.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:04 am to BamaAtl
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health status in large part is decoupled from personal choice
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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diseases like diabetes, heart disease, and other major treatment-requiring conditions are heavily influenced by personal choice
And heavily influenced by genetics.
Which Republican policies make the determination between chronic conditions you believe are caused mostly by choice, and chronic conditions you believe are mostly caused by genetics? Please link them, thanks.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:05 am to Taxing Authority
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Leftists prefer to call that "fairness".
Meh, its no different than a govt running up the tab on something unrelated to the citizen. Tons of examples to choose from- our pointless forays into the middle east, taxes, expansion of big brother, mass incarceration to appease certain lobbies.
None of that is "fair" either.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:05 am to BamaAtl
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Chronic diseases and conditions—such as heart disease, stroke, cancer, type 2 diabetes, obesity, and arthritis—are among the most common, costly, and preventable of all health problems.
From your beloved CDC
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:06 am to BamaAtl
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And heavily influenced by genetics.
if we're talking macro, population level commentary? not really (again, i said non-elderly)
yeah there are some people who get fricked by genetics at an early age, but they're a small portion of society
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Which Republican policies
i'm not a Republican. why are you limiting me to that group?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:06 am to roadGator
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Tell us how much of our money will make you happy?
Enough for her to live the lifestyle she feels she deserves.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:06 am to roadGator
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Tell us how much of our money will make you happy?
The ironic part of this is that other countries with far more socialistic programs have better life expectancy for less money. Lets not pretend we have some sort of great efficient system over here.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:07 am to roadGator
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From your beloved CDC
To quote an often used BamaAtl word...
Oops.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:08 am to NYNolaguy1
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have better life expectancy for less money.
Their better life expectancy is due to culture, not money.
Those other "socialist" countries have a culture of walking/exercising and not cramming their faces with McDonalds 24/7.
ETA: This country wants everyone to have cadillac healthcare for a majority who treats their bodies like shite.
There's not enough money on the entire planet to support that.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:09 am to NYNolaguy1
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The ironic part of this is that other countries with far more socialistic programs have better life expectancy for less money. Lets not pretend we have some sort of great efficient system over here.
the problem with our system is the same problem with our educational system: our underclass skews everything by making bad choices
the US is a unique country in the world where we have both a large population of economic elites that are unmatched in scope anywhere else (and only beaten in individual wealth by authoritarians in resource-rich countries) while also having an underclass that rivals the developing world.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:10 am to BamaAtl
How do you know that we pay for his moms medical procedures ? A lot of us actually pay our own bills unlike democrats.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:10 am to roadGator
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You are advocating for the Federal Government to collect my money and ration care for me and those who contribute nothing as they see fit.
In no way is that what I'm advocating for.
Why are you so angry about calling it insurance? Let's just call it 'access to care' - will that lower your blood pressure?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:10 am to NYNolaguy1
Those countries do not have the same demographics as we do. We aren't those countries.
Some like to decry others when it's said that Country A does this. The typical response is but we aren't country A.
If you think socialistic policies are good for the country then vote for Bernie type candidates. Vote for candidates that are honest about it and not those that are trying to fool American's like Obama.
I just, for once, want libs to be honest about it and tell us how much they want. Put that number out there in the public and let the public decide.
If the public wants to pay the price and the price is known then fine. I'll live with it and vote for people to repeal it.
The dishonesty about this issue is what bothers me (Gruber and Obama and his admin and supporters).
Some like to decry others when it's said that Country A does this. The typical response is but we aren't country A.
If you think socialistic policies are good for the country then vote for Bernie type candidates. Vote for candidates that are honest about it and not those that are trying to fool American's like Obama.
I just, for once, want libs to be honest about it and tell us how much they want. Put that number out there in the public and let the public decide.
If the public wants to pay the price and the price is known then fine. I'll live with it and vote for people to repeal it.
The dishonesty about this issue is what bothers me (Gruber and Obama and his admin and supporters).
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
LINK
We have to design a health system that accounts for all facets of the society, not just the healthy or the well-off.
Yes, you are.
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yeah there are some people who get fricked by genetics at an early age, but they're a small portion of society
We have to design a health system that accounts for all facets of the society, not just the healthy or the well-off.
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i'm not a Republican.
Yes, you are.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:12 am to BamaAtl
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In no way is that what I'm advocating for.
Yes, you are.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:12 am to Centinel
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Their better life expectancy is due to culture, not money.
Those other "socialist" countries have a culture of walking/exercising and not cramming their faces with McDonalds 24/7.
I feel like the UK and the US have similar affinities for fried food. Roughly 66% of British men are overweight or obese vs 70% in the US. Thats just one country of course, but still my point stands- other countries do it better for less money (with possibly healthier populations depending on the country).
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:13 am to BamaAtl
Not angry, missy. You aren't advocating for insurance. You can't do that and want PECs covered. You know this.
Again, that poster was talking about an insurance policy and so was I. I wasn't talking about a magic scroll of progressive healthcare dreams.
Again, that poster was talking about an insurance policy and so was I. I wasn't talking about a magic scroll of progressive healthcare dreams.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:13 am to BamaAtl
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Yes, you are.
Oh FFS, you think anyone to the right of Chairman Mao is a Republican
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