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re: Question on the supposed covid "Boosters"
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:14 am to RoosterCogburn585
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:14 am to RoosterCogburn585
These vaccines never were to prevent one from getting Covid. That was said way back in January. It was thought that it lessens the ability for those vaccinated to transmit the virus to other people. This Delta variant has proven that to not be the case. It was also said that there would be a need for a booster shot within the fist year. I don't know why people are now surprised by this. They act like this is new info. The vaccine prevents those that get the virus to have less symptoms and to not die from it. The only thing that has changed is that the effectiveness on transmitting it to other people is less than what was predicted. Again, it's an individuals decision whether to get it or not. Not sure why those that don't want it care one way or the other what it does. In the long run, it won't have an effect on them either way.
The boosters are just another dose of the same vaccine. There is nothing new in them. It's just like if you get Covid, you are protected for a certain amount of time from getting it again I have had Covid twice, so the notion that once you get it once you are immune from getting it again is nonsense. Both times I had mild symptoms that had me down for a week or two. Personally, I got the vaccine because I didn't want to be sick for two weeks every nine to twelve months.
The boosters are just another dose of the same vaccine. There is nothing new in them. It's just like if you get Covid, you are protected for a certain amount of time from getting it again I have had Covid twice, so the notion that once you get it once you are immune from getting it again is nonsense. Both times I had mild symptoms that had me down for a week or two. Personally, I got the vaccine because I didn't want to be sick for two weeks every nine to twelve months.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 10:20 am
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:17 am to RoosterCogburn585
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So you don't even know how long your "protection" lasts, but you still decided to get the original shots? Explain....
I got the original shot because the data were overwhelming that the vaccine works. 94% for Moderna, 95% for Pfizer. We don't know how long the protection lasts because it was a pandemic and they had to EUA it after a couple months. In a non-pandemic situation, it would still be in Phase III monitoring right now.
All the data I have seen so far show there's strong protection after 8 months.
EDIT: Watching the CDC briefing, they are saying you're only eligible for a booster 8 months out.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:19 am to AUstar
Last data I saw showed Pfizer was only 47% effective against the Delta.
I get that they have success against the OG strain, but viruses mutuate. It's a fact of life. They're kind of setting it up for perpetual shots at this point to combat each variant....
I get that they have success against the OG strain, but viruses mutuate. It's a fact of life. They're kind of setting it up for perpetual shots at this point to combat each variant....
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:24 am to anc
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In the spring when the vaccine became readily available, people took it with the assumption that it would (1) keep them safe from COVID) and (2) get us back to normal.
Agree.
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Now that people who received the vaccine are getting COVID and we are trending back toward total lockdown again, people don't see the use in getting the vaccine.
Well it’s at least arguable that the vaccine often lessens the affect of the virus just looking at percent of hospitalized vaxed vs not. But of course nothing’s ever clear in this situation.
Personally, I had severe reactions from getting the vaccine and will not be getting the booster no matter what.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:32 am to Havoc
Do you mind telling about your reactions?
I wish there was some clear reporting on these events, %s, etc., but it seems we have to rely on anecdotes to piece together some sort of informed consent
I wish there was some clear reporting on these events, %s, etc., but it seems we have to rely on anecdotes to piece together some sort of informed consent
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:46 am to Alt26
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On the flip-side, many "anti-vaxxers" are equally as dug in
The vast majority of "anti-vaxxers" (not a big fan of that term) aren't against vaccines or drugs in general. Most of us have had every recommended vaccine that has been recommended to us and we take the drugs our doctors prescribe.
But, we've done so on the belief that these drugs have gone through the proper testing and research that is required for them to come to market. We also take them assuming that all protocols have been followed.
We KNOW that this isn't the case with these "vaccines". We KNOW that the quickest a vaccine has ever been FDA approved is 4.5 years and we're not even close to that.
One of the biggest problems us "anti-vaxxers" has is the propaganda and politicization of these drugs. It just defies all semblance of plain common f*cking sense. Paying college kids $100 to "get the jab" at LSU? Threatening people's jobs and livelihoods if they don't get the jab?
No one can deny that this is an EXPERIMENTAL drug. It's only been approved for EUA -- EXPERIMENTAL USE AUTHORIZATION. And, yet when you mention this the militant vaxxers become apoplectic. For God's sake -- IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE F*CKING NAME. And, they are taking this experimental gene therapy drug that is FRAUDULENTLY called a vaccine despite the fact that it is alleged to "protect" them from a disease with a 99.998% survival rate.
It's just become completely f*cking INSANE.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:49 am to RoosterCogburn585
A customer of mine (crazy liberal lady formerly from Conneticut) asked me in an aggressive and hateful tone why I had not gotten a vaccine.
I told her I didnt believe it actually worked, but the main reason was that I was not going to take it until the manufacturers were liable for any side effects.
She didnt know what I was talking about. I told her that the manufacturers were exempted by the government from any and all liability for anything that the shot may cause. I told her when she grew a third eye there would be nothing she could do about it.
She had never heard that from the places she gets her news (CNN MSNBC etc). I told her that they didnt talk about it because they didnt want it to discourage people from getting the shot.
I told her I didnt believe it actually worked, but the main reason was that I was not going to take it until the manufacturers were liable for any side effects.
She didnt know what I was talking about. I told her that the manufacturers were exempted by the government from any and all liability for anything that the shot may cause. I told her when she grew a third eye there would be nothing she could do about it.
She had never heard that from the places she gets her news (CNN MSNBC etc). I told her that they didnt talk about it because they didnt want it to discourage people from getting the shot.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:50 am to Bryno1960
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People should make up their own minds and not worry what others think.
The vast, vast, vast majority of us so-called "anti-vaxxers" would wholeheartedly agree. Many would question why you took it -- understanding that being over 60 is a pretty good reason.
But, it should be up to everyone to do their own NON-CLININCAL (obviously) research and do what's best for them.
It's the militant vaxxers who are the problem. They believe Arnold, the Mensa President, when he says, "F*CK YOUR FREEDOMS!" These are the people the Nazis would have loved.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:51 am to Tiger at Law
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Do you mind telling about your reactions?
Sure.
Moderna, second dose @ 4 pm. Felt fine, went to sleep. At hour 12, 4:00 am, I awoke with body aches, 4-5/10, with frequent sharp pain 7-8/10 throughout my body without any obvious cause, that lasted approximately 24 hours. Heart pressure/palpitations that varied between slight to moderate for about an hour. Couldn’t even just sleep it off. Pounded water and went to sleep in a thick sleeping bag, woke up occasionally in a sweat storm.
Started feeling better the next morning around the same time as onset but was still wiped out that day. The timing was odd how it was kind of regulated.
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ut it seems we have to rely on anecdotes to piece together some sort of informed consent
Yes it is. That’s a big reason we need to not attack people who give their experiences like some are prone to do.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:52 am to MMauler
Mmauler don't think I could have ever stated it so well myself.
Also, I'm still waiting to hear why, if the correct trials were done on the vaccine and it's so safe, were the drug makers given immunity.....
Also, I'm still waiting to hear why, if the correct trials were done on the vaccine and it's so safe, were the drug makers given immunity.....
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:52 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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Originals were properly trialed.
Define "properly"?
And, by WHO?
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:54 am to AirbusDawg
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That was said way back in January.
BULL F*CKING shite.
And, if so, then why are they calling it a "vaccine"? As I posted earlier, it's more like the yearly flu that will require yearly (if not more often) shots.
I'll give you a hint as to why they are calling it a "vaccine" -- IMMUNITY FROM LEGAL LIABILITY.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:56 am to AUstar
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94% for Moderna, 95% for Pfizer.
According to WHO?
Oh, that's right Moderna and Pfizer.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 10:59 am to AirbusDawg
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It was thought that it lessens the ability for those vaccinated to transmit the virus to other people
Does any one know how long vaccinated individuals are contageous once infected?
I heard that dipshit scoot say that breakthrough cases can only transmit it for 24 hours.
I find that hard to believe, much less verifiable...
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:02 am to RoosterCogburn585
You will need a booster for each and every activity you want to do.
Want to go to a restaurant, need their booster. Grocery store, need a different booster. Fly, need a different one there too.
Come on, just take the jab(s), quit being selfish!
Want to go to a restaurant, need their booster. Grocery store, need a different booster. Fly, need a different one there too.
Come on, just take the jab(s), quit being selfish!
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:07 am to Havoc
Thanks for describing. Do you know if a report of that was ever submitted?
I was originally against the vaxx for many reasons (untrustworthy pushers, unknown effectiveness, unknown side effect % vs. covid risk, not overly concerned w covid itself, etc.).
However, I have had some (OLDER) family members get covid and have a pretty bad time with it recently. The ole wifey is on my arse about getting it "to protect the family." I am not sure that getting it or not getting it is a better long-term choice to "protect the family" and I don't want to stay opposed to it just to be stubborn.
I think it is clear at this point and barely debatable (except having to expect that hospital #s are fudged to some extent) that the injections are improving the overall hospitalization/death results for people who do contract covid.
It is bullshite that docs and everyone says that "preventing infection was never the goal, just minimizing symptoms and improving outcomes." Straight BS, but I think that current #s show that the injections are CURRENTLY, OVERALL improving infection outcomes by lowering hospitalization and death.
HOWEVER, We don't know any long-term effects from just the base 2 shots. Hell, its hard to even get the full list of current known side effects and their occurrence %s, but we know clearly that there are many known side effects ranging from mild to severe. Will each booster multiply those risks or do they stay level? Id the risks are currently better but after 3 boosters its a coin-flip, what then? What if you stop taking boosters and then have a weak antibody response? What if we have to start combining vaxxinations?
This shite is tough.
I was originally against the vaxx for many reasons (untrustworthy pushers, unknown effectiveness, unknown side effect % vs. covid risk, not overly concerned w covid itself, etc.).
However, I have had some (OLDER) family members get covid and have a pretty bad time with it recently. The ole wifey is on my arse about getting it "to protect the family." I am not sure that getting it or not getting it is a better long-term choice to "protect the family" and I don't want to stay opposed to it just to be stubborn.
I think it is clear at this point and barely debatable (except having to expect that hospital #s are fudged to some extent) that the injections are improving the overall hospitalization/death results for people who do contract covid.
It is bullshite that docs and everyone says that "preventing infection was never the goal, just minimizing symptoms and improving outcomes." Straight BS, but I think that current #s show that the injections are CURRENTLY, OVERALL improving infection outcomes by lowering hospitalization and death.
HOWEVER, We don't know any long-term effects from just the base 2 shots. Hell, its hard to even get the full list of current known side effects and their occurrence %s, but we know clearly that there are many known side effects ranging from mild to severe. Will each booster multiply those risks or do they stay level? Id the risks are currently better but after 3 boosters its a coin-flip, what then? What if you stop taking boosters and then have a weak antibody response? What if we have to start combining vaxxinations?
This shite is tough.
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 11:14 am
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:22 am to RoosterCogburn585
The boosters and continued immunizations were all foretold in Event 201.
The only things left from this "table-top" exercise that haven't taken place are vaccine passports and a digital vaccine authentication of some sort.
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Event 201
On October 18, 2019, the CHS partnered with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to host the tabletop exercise Event 201 in New York City.[30] According to the CHS, "[t]he exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences".[30]
Event 201 simulated the effects of a fictional coronavirus originating in bats but passing to humans via pigs.[31] Claims that Event 201 was a rehearsal for the world's response to COVID-19 have been declared invalid by fact-checking outlets such as USA Today and FullFact. [31][32]
The only things left from this "table-top" exercise that haven't taken place are vaccine passports and a digital vaccine authentication of some sort.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:27 am to Tiger at Law
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Do you know if a report of that was ever submitted?
No I didn’t want to end up on some list.
Fwiw my wife had no ill effects from ithe vaccine. Many other family members have also had none.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 11:52 am to MMauler
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BULL F*CKING shite.
And, if so, then why are they calling it a "vaccine"? As I posted earlier, it's more like the yearly flu that will require yearly (if not more often) shots.
I'll give you a hint as to why they are calling it a "vaccine" -- IMMUNITY FROM LEGAL LIABILITY.
I knew back in January from reading about it. I can't help you if you didn't find out about it, but it was out there that it did not prevent anyone from getting Covid. That's why I waited nine months to get it.
I don't know what's worse, the vaccine police that intimidate people to get the damn shot, or people like yourself that say it's the flu. It's not the flu.
Posted on 8/18/21 at 12:07 pm to MMauler
quote:It is possible that may occur. But for the time being, it appears evolution of variants has slowed considerably.
as this disease changes forms (varients) year after year
Interestingly, we've not seen a new VOI for 8 months.
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