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re: Question for pro choice advocates
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:24 pm to bfniii
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:24 pm to bfniii
quote:You’ve not “refuted” anything. You have expressed an ill-informed opinion.quote:i have already addressed this in other threads and here you are repeating an already refuted assertion. your response is wrong
The attribute that distinguishes us from other forms of life is our sapience/sentience
Please do tell us what attribute YOU feel distinguishes us from other animal species.
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Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:26 pm to AggieHank86
And yet pro-choice people are calling for a sex strike(abstinence) to avoid unwanted pregnancy. 
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:28 pm to bfniii
quote:WT-Holy-F are you babbling about?quote:you are undermining your own position and apparently don't even realize it
The POINT is that “heartbeat” is NOT the factor which distinguishes between things OK to kill versus those it is not OK to kill
We kill things with heartbeats every day for thousands of reasons. Please explain why a heartbeat should thus preclude abortion.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:28 pm to AggieHank86
quote:nothing i have advanced is arbitrary. it's only arbitrary to people who are incapable of understanding or are intentionally ingnoring the morality of the situation in favor of social engineering
ALL are arbitrary
quote:don't try to muddy the waters. we are talking about murder for the sake of convenience, not for any sort of medical crisis
Any position which provides for abortion rights (to ANY extent) seems “bizarre” to YOU
quote:i've seen it attempted and i have refuted it
you simply cannot imagine anyone using a different metric, no matter HOW MANY times it is explained to you
quote:you just destroyed your own argument and demonstrated agreement with the sled test. the "extreme" as you call it is the logical conclusion
Taken to its extreme, yes
quote:which directly fails the sled test
I have zero problem taking the position that legal rights should not vest in a developing homo sapiens at a point long before it has developed any appreciable brain function
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:29 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
We kill things with heartbeats every day for thousands of reasons.
Are you comparing human beings to deer?
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:30 pm to TidenUP
quote:That probably really IS what you take from the silly-assed “strike.” I cannot help laughing.
And yet pro-choice people are calling for a sex strike(abstinence) to avoid unwanted pregnancy.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:31 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:yes. unequivocally and i have made the assertion that has not been refuted by anyone. aggie is trying to introduce an ad hoc biological assertion of "sapience" which is fancy language for brain activity which has been rebutted.
So you think a fetus is a baby? Please confirm that.
quote:and this is typical when someone doesn't have a substantive response. if you did, you would have advanced a rebuttal such as "premise is wrong because of a, b, c." i noticed you didn't do that
Saying something isn't refuting something, especially when you say something ignorant.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:31 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:31 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I find it entertaining that you people feel others should abstain from sex solely to avoid the remote possibility that it might lead to a need for them to engage in a perfectly-legal medical procedure .... just because YOU do not like the procedure.
^^
It's the same argument people were having 6 years ago with gay marriage.
I don't like it so no one should be doing it.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:35 pm to AggieHank86
quote:pretty sure the baby doesn’t like the procedure either.
just because YOU do not like the procedure.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:36 pm to bfniii
The left is the side of comfort and if it feels good do it.
Being pregnant prevents females from feeling good
Being pregnant prevents females from feeling good
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:36 pm to AggieHank86
quote:strawman. no one is saying people MUST abstain. what is being asserted is that people SHOULD abstain if it will lead to murder for the sake of convenience. there is no reason a person can't think that through before engaging in sex. never mind marriage or any social considerations
you people feel others should abstain from sex
quote:has nothing to do with the morality of the situation
perfectly-legal medical procedure
quote:funny. like the immorality of abortion is somehow MY idea. let me know when you refute the op. you haven't even demonstrated understanding of it much less refuted it
just because YOU do not like the procedure
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:36 pm to bfniii
quote:
Since the point at which a fetus is a human is debated, why wouldn't you err on the side of caution regarding the life of an unborn human being?
That is not the way science works.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:37 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:he says right after typing "Saying something isn't refuting something, especially when you say something ignorant"
It's always fun when an undergraduate wraps up their first philosophy course.
let me know when you actually advance something of value instead of just saying "nuh unh"
how about you start with the op
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:41 pm to bfniii
quote:
yes. unequivocally and i have made the assertion that has not been refuted by anyone.
It's refuted by nearly anyone who is educated and competent. The information is available. You only need to find it and understand it.
quote:
and this is typical when someone doesn't have a substantive response.
My response had more than enough substance for anyone who still thinks a fetus and a baby are no different from one another.
In fact, it's apparent from your replies that I may have included too much substance in my post.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:41 pm to LSUconvert
quote:
That is not the way science works.
Please explain the Science. According to science, when is a fetus a human?
This post was edited on 5/26/19 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:41 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Some of these people are actually this dumb. You aren’t. Do better.quote:Are you comparing human beings to deer?
We kill things with heartbeats every day for thousands of reasons.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:41 pm to AggieHank86
quote:that you haven't even rebutted it that i am aware of so this response is pointless. you aren't even TRYING to address the op
You’ve not “refuted” anything. You have expressed an ill-informed opinion
quote:first, not the point of the op. second, you are trying to establish an ad hoc premise from which to operate. third, you are not responding to the fact of personhood.
Please do tell us what attribute YOU feel distinguishes us from other animal species
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:42 pm to bfniii
quote:
he says right after typing "Saying something isn't refuting something, especially when you say something ignorant"
Says the dude who's at the point mentally where he still thinks a fetus and a baby are the same.
Posted on 5/26/19 at 1:44 pm to AggieHank86
quote:you don't even understand your own position. you are (correctly) saying that heartbeat should not be the determining factor. since heartbeat is a purely biological function, then brain activity is ruled out as well. this is addressed by the sled test. logically, you should be looking at personhood AS WELL AS biological factors.
Please explain why a heartbeat should thus preclude abortion
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