re: Question about vaccine?

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I never said it didn't so there's nothing to concede

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you from the second page:

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If you claim a vaccine works, you’re implying nobody will get sick.

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you applied fantasy world criteria implying that it doesn't work because some people still get sick. you backtracking that the implication of working = 100% effectiveness and now conceding that it works on page 3:

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if it's 80% effective that means it works at an 80% rate.

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If we think it's going to be 90% effective, say it's going to be 90% effective some of you sound like used car salesmen; just be accurate and truthful with your information.

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that is exactly what they said based off trial data, but somehow now you find fault that they said it. it was accurate and true based on the data at hand. when flippantly moving goalposts like you are doing, they are damned if they do damned if they don't.
the fact is trials and real world are likely to have slightly different results due to different scales of population, this is expected. it does not mean there was any untruthfulness. it is only your lack of awareness that makes you perceive it that way.

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The Israelis have already said the vaccine is about 37% effective against the new strain.

So, under current conditions, we're seeing a mild to moderate benefit at best. And that's born out by the overseas data.

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even this still means it works
altho less than desired, it still works.

its possible for its effect to be different overseas than USA due to differences in genetic/environmental factors in populations.

98%??

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even this still means it works

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Damn, I was going to post that as a joke. You’re actually serious.

Gosh, I just can’t figure out why a higher percentage of Americans don’t trust this vaccination effort. They should be sucking Fauci’s dick if we end up saving 5% of the population.

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So figure it out. Do you think the vaccines are protective?

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Yes, and I’ve never said they’re not.

I’ll repeat myself one last time, then I give. If you tell someone “this vaccine works”, they will understand a reasonably implied definition of “works”. The uninformed might think that means 100%, others might think it’s 90%, whatever. The point is that when the efficacy changes as we learn more, nobody believes you any more when the numbers shift downward and the response is “shut up, it still works”. Hell, someone just defended a 30-something effectiveness rate. That’s not the way to gain public trust.

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sorry you are too dull to comprehend that if it is a statistically significant benefit that means it works. period. plain and simple. it is not based on whatever fantasy land goalpost you have.

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Sorry you’re too dull to figure out that if you claim something works and it has a 40% success rate people will view you as a liar.