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re: Question about our debt ?
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:02 pm to BamaAtl
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:02 pm to BamaAtl
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And we both know that it isn't a matter of budgeting - without subsidies for many people coverage is unaffordable regardless of the sacrifices they're willing to make.
i think you're making a definitive statement without data
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What # are you comfortable revoking insurance from with no alternative, just to repeal the ACA? For me, that number is zero.
i wish Medicaid, Medicare, SSDI, EMTALA, and the ACA were all repealed tomorrow
just so you know where i stand
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Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Still nothing more than an opinion.
Do you have an example of a high risk pool pre-ACA that worked, without a waiting list?
Because we've been down this road before, and it ended the way I say. Can you show me that it could end the way you say?
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think you're making a definitive statement without data
The data of those who couldn't afford insurance pre-ACA isn't data? Do you think the 20M who have insurance now didn't get it before merely because they didn't want it?
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i wish Medicaid, Medicare, SSDI, EMTALA, and the ACA were all repealed tomorrow
just so you know where i stand
Well that's...good on you for being consistent, I guess.
We could fix most of the CMS cost issues with just a few tweaks - e.g. negotiating drug prices more aggressively, getting serious about informing people on the options for end of life care, addressing the issues with seeking care at an ED instead of a PCP...
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:So you're an idiot. Gotcha.
i wish Medicaid, Medicare, SSDI, EMTALA, and the ACA were all repealed tomorrow
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:08 pm to BamaAtl
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Do you have an example of a high risk pool pre-ACA that worked, without a waiting list?
I don't need one.
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Because we've been down this road before, and it ended the way I say.
No, we haven't.
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Can you show me that it could end the way you say?
How have I said it would end?
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:08 pm to BamaAtl
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What # are you comfortable revoking insurance from with no alternative, just to repeal the ACA?
They are actively putting something together. Trump has already stated the PEC, until 26 yo on parent's coverage, etc will still be there. You are fretting and hand wringing over nothing.
I personally want to see the whole thing dumped, but that isn't going to happen. Why don't you wait to see what changes get made before crying?
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:10 pm to mmcgrath
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So you're an idiot. Gotcha.
Those programs have cost this country's peoples trillions and the costs will keep growing.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:11 pm to BamaAtl
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The data of those who couldn't afford insurance pre-ACA isn't data?
dismissing my comment about their budget preferences didn't use data
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Do you think the 20M who have insurance now didn't get it before merely because they didn't want it?
i think many (not all) preferred to spend money on other things ahead of insurance
if you can find me people who never ate out, don't smoke/drink, don't have cable or a cell phone, etc and still couldn't afford it? we could talk. many poor people want luxuries over necessities. i work with them every day and i see their financials. most have car notes higher than my firm luxury vehicle's lease (we're talking $400+)
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We could fix most of the CMS cost issues with just a few tweaks - e.g. negotiating drug prices more aggressively,
this ends up shifting costs onto everyone else. not a fan
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getting serious about informing people on the options for end of life care
huge, and a major reason why Medicare will bankrupt the federal government
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addressing the issues with seeking care at an ED instead of a PCP...
for non-Medicare cost issues, this is easily #2 (even with people who have insurance, mind you)
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:12 pm to mmcgrath
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So you're an idiot. Gotcha.
not in the slightest
i'm never going to get Medicare, so why the frick do i want to pay for it?
i'm almost assuredly never going to be on Medicaid. same question
i pay for my disability insurance so why do i want to pay for SSDI, too?
and the ACA has buttfricked me. why would i want that?
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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How have I said it would end?
Less than horribly, if you think it's a viable alternative for people with preexisting conditions. And we have been down this road before - high risk pools have been tried before. Never worked.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:14 pm to BamaAtl
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Less than horribly
Wrong. I've made no claim on that.
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And we have been down this road before
No, we haven't.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:14 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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They are actively putting something together.
They've had 7 years and have yet to produce any alternative plan that would garner enough votes to pass the House and Senate. Repeal, sure, that's easy red meat. The replacement, however, is a fairy tale.
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Why don't you wait to see what changes get made
I'd prefer we not kick 20M people off of a cliff and tell them we'll build a plane on the way down. Something about doing to your fellow man and all.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:15 pm to BamaAtl
quote:100% false
They've had 7 years and have yet to produce any alternative plan that would garner enough votes to pass the House and Senate
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:16 pm to BamaAtl
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I'd prefer we not kick 20M people off of a cliff and tell them we'll build a plane on the way down. Something about doing to your fellow man and all.
this is exactly why the ACA should be a lesson to everyone about fedgov
it's simply too big of a program and these "moral" arguments are all that's left, and they have emotional power b/c the progam is so big that it affects a ton of people. it's basically an argument that if fedgov enacts a shitty enough law that affects a large enough # of people, that law will never be able to be repealed due to these appeals to emotion
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:17 pm to BamaAtl
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Repeal
Good idea, considering a huge majority of Americans want this.
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I'd prefer we not kick 20M people off of a cliff and tell them we'll build a plane on the way down.
That isn't happening.
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Something about doing to your fellow man and all.
Emotion. Nothing more.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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dismissing my comment about their budget preferences didn't use data
These are clearly people who wanted insurance, but couldn't afford it until the ACA. Better budgeting won't solve that, and is a very flippant and ignorant response to their plight.
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a major reason why Medicare will bankrupt the federal government
We were going to tackle this until some moronic party latched on to the idea of "death panels" and started scaring their ignorant voters with it...
But none of the things I mentioned require repealing the ACA, only tweaking it. Why burn the house down because a window's broken?
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:17 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Anyone insured.
Do you have an example of a high risk pool pre-ACA that worked, without a waiting list?
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:18 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That isn't happening.
Got a link to an actual plan for replacement? Because the repeal process has already begun, without a replacement in sight.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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Anyone insured.
Not the definition of a high risk pool. You know that.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 7:19 pm to BamaAtl
quote:So now they are insured?
couldn't afford it until the ACA
IOW under GOP plans they will not lose coverage.
Right?
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