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re: Putin Accuses Pope Francis of ‘Not Worshiping the God of the Bible

Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:20 am to
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:20 am to
What you non Catholics must remember. Francis did not make himself Pope. The powers that be in the college of cardinals knew his politics before they put him in office. Francis tells us something about the political leanings of the entire Catholic hierarchy.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112716 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 10:23 am to
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What you non Catholics must remember. Francis did not make himself Pope. The powers that be in the college of cardinals knew his politics before they put him in office. Francis tells us something about the political leanings of the entire Catholic hierarchy


Francis is an overreaction to Benedict, who was seen as too conservative and dogmatic by the power brokers in the Vatican who were also concerned about the growing kid fricking controversy. Benedict was also not about the socialist leanings of the "social justice" inclinations of the Church.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
11029 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:19 am to
Benedict and conservatives in the Church did not do enough to prosecute and kick out priests who abused children. For all their conservative theology they really, really, failed to protect children from abusive priests.

I'll take a liberal like Francis who is doing more to address the problem than conservatives who did not.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Member since Jan 2011
25778 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:29 am to
Geez, surprised to see how quickly this board jumps on board with a communist that has always hated the Catholic Church. Do you really believe that Putin’s Russia has done more good in this would than the Catholic Church?

Bizarre.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:37 am to
Russia has built 30,000 churches in the last 30 years.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:41 am to
What does that have to do with an x-KGB communist that has spent a lifetime spreading socialist propaganda against Roman Catholics? Putin is a known murderer and enemy of the Catholic Church.

And the US, but I doubt you care.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
15061 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 11:47 am to
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This is just another of his little jabs intended to sow discord among his enemies.


So he's really Hillary?
Posted by SD Tider
San Diego
Member since May 2019
2500 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 12:08 pm to
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So he's really Hillary?


That’s an insult to Putin’s intelligence. He’s infinitely more cunning and dangerous than she could ever hope to be.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25198 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 12:16 pm to
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Putin was instrumental in rebuilding the Moscow cathedral torn down by the communists.


He also told Obama not to go down the Marxist road, because they tried that in the Soviet Union. They tried to make it work really hard, but no matter how hard they tried it would not work.

Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100640 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 2:42 pm to
I really don’t understand why we can’t have good relations with Russia like we do with China now that the USSR is gone
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
9132 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:29 pm to
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Putin the ultimate capitalist. He's stolen billions. He's extremely rich.


Your view of capitalism is skewed because we haven’t been a truly capitalist country since the early 1900s.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:30 pm to
I have no idea what Putin’s personal religious beliefs might be, but he has gone above and beyond supporting the return of the Orthodox Church in Russia.

The two headed eagle is an ancient symbol, and in this case it was lifted from the Romans, but it represents the state and the church, one corpus, two heads.

And it doesn’t matter if your Christian or Muslim. Russia has a lot of Muslims, and Moscow has been pretty sensitive in accommodating them, provided they’re not Salafist.

Russia does take a very dim view of the Protestant splinter sects, especially if they’re American. But otherwise, they don’t bother you.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:38 pm to
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I really don’t understand why we can’t have good relations with Russia like we do with China now that the USSR is gone


American exceptionalism, Yankees believe they’re building gods kingdom of heaven on earth, and they expect everyone to jump on board.

We also got used to being the global hegemon in the 90s.

It’s also structural.

Many of our institutions never lost their Cold War posture. And they will never see Russia as anything other than an implacable enemy.

Finally, our Russian policy has been shaped by men like Brzezinski and women like Madeleine Albright. And their personal antipathy towards Russia influenced generations of Americans. You can understand why they dislike Russia. Brzezinski was a Polish noble. Albright, a Czech.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62745 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:56 pm to
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He's extremely rich.


So are the heads of most communist/socialist countries.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
10894 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 8:59 pm to
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Putin tends to be right most of the time
the Republican Party has changed
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 6/9/19 at 9:02 pm to
I've always held that if Jesus came back right now he'd treat the Pope, bishops, priests, and church the way he treated the The Pharisees, and the Sadducees, and the Rabbis, and Jewish temples.

And the Catholic Church would publically crucify him in Vatican city all over again to the sounds of cheering blind catholics demanding his death.
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