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Turbeauxdog
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Well if strong opinions about the President, one way or the other, eliminates objectivity, then I wonder if a single person could be an objective juror, let alone 12 of them. So my that logic then any of us, and any over else, would probably be lying too.


No. We’re taking about lunatic opinions by democrats. Try and keep up.


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buckeye_vol
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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A large percentage of the population doesn't follow politics at all.
But I would bet almost everyone has a strong opinion about Trump, you know the guy who “isn’t a politician.”
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NC_Tigah
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Yes, we COULD change to a presumption that every venireman is biased
Sorry I had to step away before seeing that strawman. No one is making such a presumption.

Again, when was the last time you saw physicians seated in a med mal jury? It is not a rhetorical question. Perhaps it happens all the time. Does it? Your experience with juries far exceeds mine . . . . . . fortunately.

The point being, there is common exclusion based on perceived or potential bias. One presumes David Duke would never be seated in a jury overseeing the trial of a black defendant. That is a good thing. Given proper oversight, Hatfields would not be seated in a McCoy trial. That is a good thing.

What happened here is not acceptable.

A jury is supposed to be fair and impartial. Clearly in this case, what is supposed to occur did not. Obvious bias is why when caught, Ms. Hart desperately tried to remove her related contemporary digital musings.

Obvious bias is why ANDREA MITCHELL was even surprised Jackson "nonetheless dismissed objections by the defense and allowed those jurors to go forward." Mitchell's surprise there is telling, or at least should be.

It is why you correctly observed "If there were others just as bad, that may explain Tomeka’s survival."

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NC_Tigah
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Well if strong opinions about the President
Strong opinions such as opposition party activism, a digital record documenting it, and running for US Congressional office in the opposition party?
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I wonder if a single person could be
You wonder if any person could be less biased than opposition party activist and candidate for US Congressional office in the opposition party?

You really wonder that?

Seriously?



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NC_Tigah
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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But I would bet almost everyone has a strong opinion about Trump, you know the guy who “isn’t a politician.”
So you'd be fine if Corey Lewandowski and Steve Bannon were jurors seated in an Andrew McCabe trial that a Trump appointed Judge was overseeing?

I wouldn't.


buckeye_vol
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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So you'd be fine if Corey Lewandowski and Steve Bannon were jurors seated in an Andrew McCabe trial that a Trump appointed Judge was overseeing?
Well I wouldn’t care about it being a Trump-appointed judge, but considering that Trump tried to get Corey and Steve to fire McCabe’s boss (Sessions) and there undoubtedly know one another possibly have even had interacted in a personal and professional capacity. But it’s not their political views that would be the issue, it would be the specific relationships between a defendant and a juror.

All I’m saying, and the same holds true for precious presidents, is that people have extremely strong views about presidents and a good portion of one half of the population are irrationally negative (Obama is an American-hating, Muslim loving, racist; Bush is War Criminal) and a good portion of the other half is irrationally positive (Obama was the greatest President).

So if a well-known associate of a president is on trial, how do you not avoid someone with one of these irrational viewpoints? And doesn’t that negate all of them?


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