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AggieHank86
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
I do not know your jurisdiction or DC, but it is DIFFICULT to get any strike for cause in Texas.


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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Does STD not understand that legal assistants do not take depos?



I'm not the one who claimed this
So maybe your buddy is as much a fraud lawyer as you are


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NC_Tigah
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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He doesn't care.
Neither does Hank. Both are lawyers. Both are willing to defend the seating of a biased jury. Both would claim it is not illegal for a partisan judge to use her power in overseeing a biased process. They are perfectly fine with the Kangaroo Court it sets up. So disconcerting.


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AggieHank86
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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How many strikes did they have and use?
Rule 24 says “six,” unless the judge modified it. Not the sort of detail normally reported by some idiot with a journalism degree.
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NC_Tigah
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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I do not know your jurisdiction or DC
You don't know we are talking about the Roger Stone case?
Really?

You don't know we are talking about your own suggestion that Stone's Defense had peremptory strikes available, but failed to use them vs Hart?
Really?

Fair enough. Now you know.

So once again, how many strikes did Stone's defense have and use?


NC_Tigah
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Rule 24 says “six,” unless the judge modified it.
So, how many were retained by the time Hart was taken up?


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AggieHank86
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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You are making your argument on a totally different juror. The Obama press secretary juror, with the husband who was part of the case, is different than the black lady who was recently identified because of her social media post

You probably should have read the article before offering an uninformed opinion
I suggest that YOU re-read the OP. It addresses Tomeka Hart.

The juror you mention did not even enter the discussion until YOU mentioned her quite some time later.

There has been less reporting about her, because she did not just come out publicly. It is not even clear to me whether she was stricken or not, because Boosie’s transcript does not include her interview (which seems to have been the previous day).

DO try to keep up.
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Vacherie Saint
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
Again, it was discussed on the first page. YOU try to keep up


5th post:
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That’s not the only juror who should have been dismissed. A senior Obama administration official was also part of the jury.
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Y.A. Tittle
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
Ole boy gets pissy when others don't want to follow his thread derailment attempts.


AggieHank86
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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once again, how many strikes did Stone's defense have and use?
AGAIN, that is not the sort of detail that gets reported by some goober with a journalism degree.

We know what the Rule says and we know that they did not use one of their six on Hart. That is all.

Is it theoretically possible that the District Court in Washington DC manages peremptory strikes in the same ass-backward manner as as Louisiana? Yes, I suppose that is remotely possible, but Louisiana is the only jurisdiction in which I have ever heard that ALL peremptory strikes are not exercise simultaneously after the completion of voir dire.

Granted, when one lives in a state with 30 million people, one does not try a large number of cases in other states.
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AggieHank86
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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You don't know we are talking about the Roger Stone case?
Several of us were discussing jury selection in a general sense. If your Nadler point was specific to the Stone case or to DC federal court, I missed your intent.


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Bourre'
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
You are telling someone to keep up when you didn’t even know about this other juror, that’s fricking delicious. I even linked an article and quoted it so people who were uninformed, like yourself, could learn about it.

Take the L, you fricking hack


Jbird
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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AGAIN, that is not the sort of detail that gets reported by some goober with a journalism degree.
But is is the sort of detail twisted by a goober with a law degree.


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AggieHank86
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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You are telling someone to keep up when you didn’t even know about this other juror, that’s fricking delicious. I even linked an article and quoted it so people who were uninformed, like yourself, could learn about it.
of course I “ know about“ her. I mentioned her in several posts. I simply was not discussing her in the specific posts you are discussing.

My God, you are a fricking idiot.


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AggieHank86
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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derailment
Jesus H. Christ. I am specifically discussing the juror specifically addressed in the OP, and you assert that I am derailing by NOT devoting every post to juror who was NOT addressed in the OP.

And you claim that I am “deranged.”

If you want to discuss the other juror, I am glad to do so. Find the transcript of her examination and link it. I have not seen it.
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Buddy Red
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Especially now that we’re heading for a lower threshold and more jury trials.

I’m gonna put some feelers out.

My TD email to maintain anonymity is boosiebadazz225 at gmail dot com if you’re serious about kicking ideas around


Y g m


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NC_Tigah
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Granted, when one lives in a state with 30 million people, one does not try a large number of cases in other states.
Subtle brag

I get it. My issue is fairness. That's it. We have in the Roger Stone a case of criminalization of political participation. The case was overseen by a partisan Judge who apparently oversaw seating of a partisan jury. IMO, all of that should be off limits.

The nonchalant acceptance with which this 3rd world system is viewed by leftists is darkly foreboding.


AggieHank86
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
Like it or not, the legal presumption is that every venireman can be a fair and impartial juror, and the legal burden lies with the litigant to establish otherwise.

Like it or not, the burden of proof on the litigant in that situation is a high one, and it is traditionally hard to satisfy.

Like it or not, appellate courts given substantial deference to the discretion of ANY trial court on matters related to strikes for cause, largely because they were present to observe the demeanor of the venireman.

Yes, we COULD change to a presumption that every venireman is biased. We COULD lower the burden of proof. We COULD remove all deference to judicial discretion.

But this case was not tried in any of those hypothetical worlds.
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buckeye_vol
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Her social media history indicates that she lied about her objectivity
Well if strong opinions about the President, one way or the other, eliminates objectivity, then I wonder if a single person could be an objective juror, let alone 12 of them. So by that logic then any of us, and any over else, would probably be lying too. Luckily for the defendant, when in DC, there is a good chance someone would have a bias that he would favor, and it only takes 1 to hang a jury.
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BuckyCheese
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Well if strong opinions about the President, one way or the other, eliminates objectivity, then I wonder if a single person could be an objective juror, let alone 12 of them. So my that logic then any of us, and any over else, would probably be lying too.



A large percentage of the population doesn't follow politics at all.


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