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VOR
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?

You’re making some assumptions that have not been established as fact.

Stone’s sentencing phase isn’t complete yet.
Appeal won’t evenbe an issue for awhile.
Who knows?


AggieHank86
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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We don’t have the shuffling mechanism but that sounds awesome. I may run that up the flag pole. I can’t see why either side of the aisle would object.
The criticism is that it is often used in a racially-discriminatory fashion. Of course, the same is said of peremptory strikes.

If you are planning to strike a Black, the first thing you learn is to write in your notes all the objective reasons you do not want him on your jury. Tons of cases address the point, starting with Batson.
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NC_Tigah
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Her social media posts were about Trump, not Stone. She said she could set aside partisanship to be fair to Stone.
That's why she yanked them down ASAP once she realized she'd outed herself? Because there was nothing to them?


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That's why she yanked them down ASAP once she realized she'd outed herself? Because there was nothing to them?


What’s going to happen is another trash court is going to say “we can’t grant appeal based on politics, because muh institutions”

It’s a joke.


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Vacherie Saint
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
Yeah, sorry.

Political partisans have NO business on a jury like that. I don’t gaf how well behaved she promises to be.


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NC_Tigah
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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VOR
Do you think a Trump activist could get a fair and impartial trial if overseen by a partisan judge allowing partisan packing of a partisan jury?


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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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So Jerry Nadler would be fine as a juror as long as he claimed he could be fair?
I would expect the lawyers to ask that Mr. Nadler be dismissed for cause and to ask extensive questions to establish his bias. If dismissal for cause were denied, I would expect them to exercise a peremptory strike on him.


Vacherie Saint
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
I thought I read that Stones lawyers tried to get the juror dismissed, but the judge stepped in.

ETA: from the link on page 1

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Meanwhile, it emerged that U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson had denied a defense request to strike a potential juror who was Obama-era press official with admitted anti-Trump views -- and whose husband worked at the same Justice Department division that handled the probe leading to Stone's arrest.
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VOR
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
If Stone’s law tried to have the juror dismissed, then they asked the judge to step in.


AggieHank86
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Vacherie Saint
Which juror?

Tomeka Hart? No, they failed to move to strike her for cause. See Boosie’s graphic of the transcript. Thereafter, they failed to exercise the right to strike her peremptorily.

The Obama staffer? I have not read on her yet.

EDIT. Just saw our edit to say which juror. Give me a few minutes.
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Vacherie Saint
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
Who is “they”?


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NC_Tigah
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I would expect them to exercise a peremptory strike on him.

and then when the next in line was Schiff, then Waters, then Omar . . . . obvious unequivocal bias should never require peremptory intervention.


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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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VOR
Do you think a Trump activist could get a fair and impartial trial if overseen by a partisan judge allowing partisan packing of a partisan jury?



He doesn't care.


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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
You are making your argument on a totally different juror. The Obama press secretary juror, with the husband who was part of the case, is different than the black lady who was recently identified because of her social media post

You probably should have read the article before offering an uninformed opinion
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NC_Tigah
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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they failed to exercise the right to strike her peremptorily.
How many strikes did they have and use?


Vacherie Saint
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
I wouldn’t assume his lawyers made good decisions. Our justice system doesn’t let people hang for ineffective counsel. Either way, it’s clear Stone did not get a fair trial.


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Vacherie Saint
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He doesn't care.


No, he doesn’t. He was perfectly fine with Hillary donors prosecuting her election rival and he was ok with dem presidential candidates not recusing themselves in an impeachment trial of their opponent.


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Tchefuncte Tiger
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
Everybody who was convicted on copped a plea will have their convictions/pleas vacated when this whole charade is finally exposed.


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SDVTiger
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
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Her social media posts were about Trump, not Stone. She said she could set aside partisanship to be fair to Stone.


Only Liberal Hank would say this


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dafif
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re: PT lawyers....how fast does Stone walk on appeal?
AggieHank86

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Picking a jury is difficult. Strikes for cause are pretty rare, and you only have a small number of peremptory strikes to get rid of a few folks you do not like. M

Lawyers can certainly argue the point, but I do not see any appellate court in this country overruling a trial court judge who declines dismissal for cause purely for belonging to a political party OR for opposing a politician who is not personally on trial.



Go check out Morgan and Morgan in Florida. Their Voir Dire is 3-4 hours and they strike for cause between 40-60% of the venire.

It is an abusive process they have put forth for years.

As for the other, too much depends on the facts leading up to the information. However, while I also agree that political party affiliation does not automatically qualify for strike, this is purely a political trial. Much like Mueller, when everyone is a rabid democrat how is that fair?
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