re: Prior to Roe v Wade being overturned I had no idea that abortions were that common.

Women already have ALL the “reproductive rights”. Men have virtually none. Why should we be lectured to by the matriarchy?

They also don’t really GAF about “black lives”… at least the ones that are ripped out of a mother’s womb or scraped off of bullet riddled, urban streets.

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Abortion is a losing issue no matter whet the boomers here think

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Some people are concerned with what’s right over and above winning political power.

If you just win political power but lose the culture war, what are you exercising power over? A wasteland.

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Really a matter of perspective, isn't it?

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It really is.

One side is vapid, materialistic and makes poor choices. You support them.

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This cannot be said enough. They are the ultimate “simp”.

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Exactly.

Theyre softer than women.

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Some people are concerned with what’s right over and above winning political power.

If you just win political power but lose the culture war, what are you exercising power over? A wasteland.

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To be perfectly honest with you I really don't give a shite about abortion. It's doesn't even register on the top twenty of things I care about because it doesn't affect my life. I don't like it but there are far more things that are important to me and how politics directly affect me. Abortion isn't even on the radar screen. If you want to take a principled stand based upon your beliefs then OK.....but abortion is a losing issue politically and the majority of the country, particularly women, aren't with you on it....even if the court made the entirely correct decision. 50 years of precedence was overturned so people are pissed about it and the Democrats will continue to use it. You are tilting at windmills if you keep pressing the matter.

Just my view on it personally and don't expect you to agree

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It’s not so much that they’re common as it is telling a woman what she must do with her body.

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The fetus being torn apart limb by limb is most certainly not "her body".

Unless you're going to argue women routinely trip over themselves so they can have their own limbs sawed off in different, non pregnant, circumstances.

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They take the total number of abortions and decide (divide?) by the number of women.

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Not remotely how they reached their numbers.

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These Simps ... will not answer my questions.

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What are your questions, Roger? I will try to answer them for you.

The REASON to come here is to have a civil discussion of competing views. Maybe we can manage that, if the peanut gallery can control itself.

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So much for that attempt at a reasonable discussion.

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If its their body their choice, no men should be on the hook for a baby, correct?

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On its face, that is a reasonable question, and I assume that you are asking in the context of child support because that is where the question USUALLY arises. It is a question that I explored in depth when we addressed "child support" in my family law class in law school.

When boiled down to its basics, the current regimen gives each of the two parties "control" up until the point at which he or she CAN have control. For the man, that is the point of ejaculation. If he wants to "control" paternity, that is the last point at which he physically can do so.

For the woman, the last point at which she can exercise physical control is somewhat later.

Is that the perfect system? No. I don't think that there IS a "perfect" solution to the issue.