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re: Prior to Roe v Wade being overturned I had no idea that abortions were that common.

Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:33 pm to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:33 pm to
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Some people can’t empathize unless they are directly affected by the situation.


Similar to how you can’t empathize with the baby?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:34 pm to
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Some people can’t empathize unless they are directly affected by the situation.


Wy too many mistake misplaced empathy as emotion.

Most people would feel different about a child that was raped vs a whore using abortion as birth control.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25469 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:34 pm to
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Not in a Constitutional Republic. That is grade-school level analysis.


Scalia disagreed with you.

Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:36 pm to
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Scalia disagreed with you.


Yeah, but what does some Supreme Court Justice know compared to Aggie Hank?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:37 pm to
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He cannot to save his life offer a personalized opinion.


One of the drawbacks of being a Sociopath.
Posted by CarpeDiem
Member since Dec 2011
666 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:38 pm to
I hope you never find yourself in a situation where a loved one is raped or dies due to delayed healthcare.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25469 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:39 pm to
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I hope you never find yourself in a situation where a loved one is raped or dies due to delayed healthcare.


What did I say that was wrong? I get that it’s a difficult situation but you were only presenting one side.
Posted by CarpeDiem
Member since Dec 2011
666 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:40 pm to
My point is that you might soften your stance if the unthinkable happens to someone you care about.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
283310 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:42 pm to
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One of the drawbacks of being a Sociopath.


I once thought Hank was autistic, but I am leaning sociopath. His faux innocent persona hides some serious attempts to manipulate.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25469 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:43 pm to
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My point is that you might soften your stance if the unthinkable happens to someone you care about.


And you might soften your stance if you think life is important and you have no say in whether or not your baby gets aborted.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:43 pm to
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I was discussing legislation and regulation, though I did not make that clear.


But legislation and regulation have to conform to constitutional standards, and the constitution is nothing if not protection of minority viewpoints and interests against the tyranny of the majority and the government.

We're discussing abortion, which has seen more than its share of constitutional scrutiny, so it's not like this is irrelevant, even if you're talking about legislation.

And if the constitution "says what it says," one thing we know you must agree with is that there is no "right to have an abortion."

Because that isn't in there. It's not stated and it's not implied and there's nothing that is stated or implied that is related to anything like it.

But back to this majority rule thing you seem to want. Are you a dumbass?

Seems like only dumbasses think that's a good idea. Our founding fathers certainly didn't. Of course, they weren't dumbasses.

So the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was an authoritarian act, eh?
Posted by Antoninus
Ravenna
Member since Sep 2023
1089 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:44 pm to
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Scalia disagreed with you.
Intelligent and well-informed people can disagree sometimes. I agreed with him 95% of the time. I can live with that.
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
6544 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:44 pm to
They used abortions as birth control. Now they know when whoring around, abortion can’t be used as a birth control
Posted by Antoninus
Ravenna
Member since Sep 2023
1089 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:52 pm to
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But back to this majority rule thing you seem to want. Are you a dumbass?
No, but you clearly are, if you do not grasp the distinction between Constitutional standards (as to which extant popularity is irrelevant) and oppressive, minority-backed legislation or regulation contrary to majority support.
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Our founding fathers certainly didn't.
They understood the distinction.
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the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was an authoritarian act, eh?
In some ways, yes. It’s goals were in many ways laudable, but it’s Constitutional authority was highly suspect IMO. Not unlike Roe.
Posted by Antoninus
Ravenna
Member since Sep 2023
1089 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:53 pm to
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They used abortions as birth control. Now they know when whoring around, abortion can’t be used as a birth control
of course they can. they just have to drive further.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
10936 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 6:01 pm to
Our Founding Fathers also firmly believed in Separation of Church and State. Most of the adamant pro-lifers are using religious reasons for their stance.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25469 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 6:06 pm to
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Intelligent and well-informed people can disagree sometimes.


I thought it was "grade-school level analysis"? An intelligent and well-informed Scalia would offer up a grade-school level analysis?

It's a double standard because you wanted gay marriage, nobody buys your contortions, everybody knows why the justices ruled the way they did. Scalia described this sort of tyranny perfectly during his confirmation hearing.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25469 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 6:07 pm to
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Our Founding Fathers also firmly believed in Separation of Church and State. Most of the adamant pro-lifers are using religious reasons for their stance.


This is embarrassing reasoning, and at least one avowed atheist on this forum is adamantly against abortion.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:06 pm to
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oppressive, minority-backed legislation or regulation


Three problems with that, Hank:

1. How is killing innocent human beings not "oppressive?" I didn't say "murder;" and I didn't say "babies," I chose my words carefully. If you'd like I can post medical definitions of the relevant words. Abortion (assuming the life of the mother is not at risk) by definition kills a human being who wasn't threatening the life or safety of anyone else. How can making it legal to kill those human beings at will not be "oppressive?"

2. You seem to be saying that when the constitution is silent (like we both agree that it is regarding abortion), the majority gets to decide. What if the majority decides on something that is "oppressive?" Is it o.k. then, as long as the majority chose it instead of the minority? Is the problem that it is "oppressive," or that the majority didn't get to choose it? Be careful, now, because you're going to likely negate the distinction you just made a big deal about.

3. The vast majority of this board considers you a dumbass. The question isn't in the constitution, so according to your own logic you need to stop being an authoritarian dick and quit insisting otherwise.

4. Here's a bonus problem with your position. We agree that Roe was bullshite, which means we agree that the question belongs to the states. In the majority of states that have adopted strict limitations on abortions, the majority of the population of the state agrees.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 7:09 pm
Posted by P2K
Nevada
Member since Sep 2022
844 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:14 pm to
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and at least one avowed atheist on this forum is adamantly against abortion.


Why would an atheist GAF about abortion?
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