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re: President Trump has signed another executive order this time to cut trees in reserves .
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:19 am to AllbyMyRelf
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:19 am to AllbyMyRelf
quote:It's extremely difficult, and extremely capital intensive. It also requires a lot of planning (you have to locate it somewhere that has available labor but also available wood resources), and specialized equipment.
How difficult is it to set up a sawmill? Is it a one size fits all (e.g., no need to build specifications for hardwood vs pine, etc)?
quote:This is because in the south we have a ton of timber capacity sitting on the stump, far more than our current manufacturing capacity/demand can process. That's why this proposal is idiotic insofar as it relates to federal forests in the US south. The supply is already more than enough to feed existing facilities, which is why current timber prices are so low. Flooding the market with additional federal timber is only going to hurt landowners, because the lumber bottleneck is downstream.
I’ve always wondered why lumber prices always seem high but I’ve been told timber prices are too low for tree farmers to make any money
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 10:22 am
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Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:30 am to TideCPA
So, notwithstanding the required capital expenditure, seems like now would be a great time to get into the lumber business and try to get a few sawmills operational. The timber prices (already low) will be suppressed by this order for a while I imagine.
That’s probably overly simplistic thinking, but probably an opportunity out there
That’s probably overly simplistic thinking, but probably an opportunity out there
Posted on 3/7/25 at 4:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Locally its clearcut and looks like absolute shite, which is why they ended the practice in the Tongass for the most part.
It does look awful. I see it here in the southern portions of arkansas. The big corporations and private land owners do the clear cutting. International Paper owns huge swaths of land and they always clear cut. Private citizens/companies can do what they want.
Again, I've never seen any entity of the federal government clear cut. They harvest timber in such a way that it actually improves the forest land.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 4:59 pm to alphaandomega
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I have never found a logger who leaves the roads in as good or better condition as when they arrived. Ever.
Humm, must be different were you are. In arkansas most of the forest service roads are horrendous. When the loggers win a bid the first thing they do is fix the road. They lay down a nice solid bed of gravel, widen the road and grade it smooth. It's the only way they can get log trucks in and out reliably.
I know they are infamous for tearing up roads with the log trucks. Guess we are lucky here that the roads are impassable for their trucks unless they fix them
Posted on 3/7/25 at 6:19 pm to TideCPA
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The supply is already more than enough to feed existing facilities, which is why current timber prices are so low. Flooding the market with additional federal timber is only going to hurt landowners, because the lumber bottleneck is downstream.
There's the issue.
This Trump EO is being heralded as a stark change in logging on Federal land. Despite signing an Executive Order to "protect old growth and mature forests", the BLM under the Biden administration approved logging leases at a greater rate than any time in the decade prior. BLM is not set to review the management plan it is operating under currently until at least 2028, which means that unless the Biden admin had drastically changed by actually choosing to enforce his EO, nothing was going to change in that regard.
Putting trees on the ground wasn't the issue, and it isn't the issue now.
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 3/7/25 at 6:27 pm to Mr Cell Phone
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The Conservative, environmental groups are up in arms about this .
Link?
Posted on 3/7/25 at 6:37 pm to Mr Cell Phone
How can we be in a shortag?e for lumber? How is this possible in a nation this big, with terrain like ours
Well, you have to look at the fact that we exported a lot of lumber. I remember 20-30? years ago seeing a documentary about the huge supply of logs that were being shipped to Japan. The ships were dumping the logs just offshore, where the cold water would keep them in good shape for future use. I believe it was mostly red-woods. I personally don't like seeing the mixed woods in Kitsachie being cleared and replanted in pines. We have enough land already in pines. Pine forests are essentially "green deserts".
Well, you have to look at the fact that we exported a lot of lumber. I remember 20-30? years ago seeing a documentary about the huge supply of logs that were being shipped to Japan. The ships were dumping the logs just offshore, where the cold water would keep them in good shape for future use. I believe it was mostly red-woods. I personally don't like seeing the mixed woods in Kitsachie being cleared and replanted in pines. We have enough land already in pines. Pine forests are essentially "green deserts".
Posted on 3/7/25 at 6:59 pm to PrattvilleTiger
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Trees are renewable resources. What's the big deal?
The big deal is environmental wacko's think ever forest should be climax forest aka old growth forest 'cause the animals. But truth be told climax forest suck for the vast majority of animals. Clear cuts simulate nature and provide food and shelter for animals.
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