re: President Trump has signed another executive order this time to cut trees in reserves .

The reality is people don’t really want budget cuts or a strong economy because when it comes down to it there is always an excuse why we shouldn’t or it’s just too hard

Everyone in this thread who has a problem with this has a history of TDS. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. They also need to lie as usual.

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Federal reserve land

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I am not familiar with this land designation.

Is it something you just made up?

Most logging is done on USFS land which is managed for both recreational and economical purposes.

Are you trying to imply that the EO is sending loggers into designated Wilderness areas to clear cut?

If so how about a link.

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problem there is not enough saw mills in operation and will take years to put in operation there is not even a long range plain .

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They will figure something out. That is what people who solve problems do. Rather than sit around and cry or send trillions to fake unicorn fart companies.

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The Conservative, environmental groups are up in arms about this .

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Did you mean Conservation? Who gives a frick what environmental groups think. They literally give zero fricks about the environment and their entire purpose is to rant about Climate Change, launder money to fake green companies, and rile up the lowest of IQ white bitches to vote.

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With tariffs in full swing….

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But are they?

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People up in arms about harvesting timber from federal lands usually know zilch about how its done.

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Exactly this.

The ignorance and jingoism about the logging industry dwarfs the oil industry protestors. At least with oil, most of us can agree that we would be better without it, but we are stuck with it for now. Logging and forestry has to be one of the most unfairly maligned professions in the country.

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I doubt it takes "years" for saw mills to get into operation.

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It’s not just throwing up a building to cut wood.

Lumber, OSB, pulp, corrugated,… these are all very different plants and some really are complex. High-processing versions (like high-end paper) take a while to reach steady state and can cost several hundred million. You don’t just throw these things up.

Dimensional lumber is more straightforward to do, but all of them require a hell of a lot more logistics planning than expected. It’s not like oil and gas where you can truck, rail, or pipeline in stuff from hundreds of miles away. Transportation costs can kill the business case for wood products really fast. If you can’t sell it within a couple hundred miles, the value drops off quickly. There’s a reason you don’t see logging trucks going cross-country.

It’s a complex, very amorphous industry and the loggers that feed it have a hard life. They are passionate about it, though. As a good friend of mine says, it’s the only industry he’s seen where an owner-operator has to spend well over a million dollars on a couple of machines to make $50,000 a year.

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ere is not enough saw mills in operation

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How difficult is it to set up a sawmill? Is it a one size fits all (e.g., no need to build specifications for hardwood vs pine, etc)?

I’ve always wondered why lumber prices always seem high but I’ve been told timber prices are too low for tree farmers to make any money

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Serious question (because that happens nowhere around me): Why is it being done? Is there development going on nearby? Was it all pine, planted in a row? If so, that was not a forest. It was a crop.

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For Lumber
Spruce and Hemlock
Grows free, has 100 year growth cycle which means clearcutting
No development at all. Its tourist country, ships pass by looking at scenery.


Its done to create jobs for people who no longer want to work.

Cut baby cut!!!

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Loggers tend to take seriously their job as stewards of the forests.

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It has as much to do with expectation and oversight. If they're allowed to make a mess of it, they will.

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Loggers sure can make a mess out of a road. They are horrible. I would put as much faith in what comes out of their mouth as a tote the note car dealership salesman.

I have never found a logger who leaves the roads in as good or better condition as when they arrived. Ever.