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re: PPI blows through expectations - over 3x higher than expected

Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:42 am to
Posted by Cromulent
Down the Bayou
Member since Oct 2016
3204 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:42 am to
And you're like a tampon with your bleeding all over the board. Shall we keep name calling? You are not who you say you are.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125678 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:51 am to
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Not everything is black and white and sometimes the decision that leads to the best short term numbers isn't the long term best decision.


I would agree with that.

The solution isn’t to tell people they’re not seeing what they’re seeing. We have a Democratic Party for that.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125678 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:54 am to
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How generous of you. So you were charging 30% less than market value for your product before the tariffs? Company of the people!


I’m going to just copy your post since it clearly shows you’re fricking retarded.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10352 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:55 am to
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Prices come down, margins decrease, companies cut costs to preserve margins, unemployment rises, recession, rates cut dramatically, stimulus, inflation returns, economy grows, rinse and repeat.


Interesting...and when these companies have most of their employees abroad...whos unemployment rate is being affected?
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10352 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:59 am to
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I’m going to just copy your post since it clearly shows you’re fricking retarded.


Either 1) You are an idiot who cant price properly or 2) you are immune to law of supply and demand

The arrogance of clearly stupid people is astounding

"Math is tarded"
This post was edited on 8/14/25 at 12:04 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:02 pm to
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Interesting...and when these companies have most of their employees abroad...whos unemployment rate is being affected?


What are you trying to suggest? Everything you’ve asked implies you think tariffs will have no impact on the price for consumers.

We can argue how large the impact will be, but to ignore it all together is something.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
22144 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:03 pm to
Ignoring the fact that you completely misread his post, what do we do about items whose demand is inelastic? Price goes up but we have to suck it up and buy it anyway? Tariffs aren't only hitting luxury items that we can cut out of our lives
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:04 pm to
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Either 1) You are an idiot who cant price properly or 2) you are immune to law of supply and demand The arrogance of clearly stupid people is astounding


You seem like someone who just learned about supply and demand in Econ 101, but you haven’t read the section on inelastic demand nor have you ever had a real job.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125678 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:08 pm to
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Either 1) You are an idiot who cant price properly or 2) you are immune to law of supply and demand


Here’s apparently a new category for your braine to process. We are distributors. We sell stuff. We sell stuff based on the price it costs us. If it costs us more to buy, we sell it for more money.

Here’s something else you might not understand. If we’re paying more for our products because of tariffs, most of the rest of the market is, too. And the products unaffected by tariffs directly can increase their prices to reflect the new market price.

You won’t know what to do with any of this because: see my previous post.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10352 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:08 pm to
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Ignoring the fact that you completely misread his post, what do we do about items whose demand is inelastic?


If raising prices has zero effect on the demand for the product, what competent businessman would not raise their product price?
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10352 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:10 pm to
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If it costs us more to buy, we sell it for more money.


And when people no longer want to pay the raised price?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125678 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:13 pm to
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And when people no longer want to pay the raised price?


They’ll use a cheaper product. We’re not selling cheap shite. That was an option before tariffs. It’s still an option now.
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9791 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:18 pm to
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Here’s apparently a new category for your braine to process. We are distributors. We sell stuff. We sell stuff based on the price it costs us. If it costs us more to buy, we sell it for more money.

Here’s something else you might not understand. If we’re paying more for our products because of tariffs, most of the rest of the market is, too. And the products unaffected by tariffs directly can increase their prices to reflect the new market price.


Amen. Spot on. We're a distributor too.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:20 pm to
Just say what you want to say.

This little game is absurd. Make your point and we’ll debate it.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10352 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:24 pm to
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They’ll use a cheaper product. We’re not selling cheap shite. That was an option before tariffs. It’s still an option now.


Well I dont know how your business works but it plays out in one of three ways: 1) you have excess product that you brought in that isnt moving or 2) if you are more of a dropshipper...less sales, which means you either eat into your margin(absorbing tariffs) to charge less for product or 3) you demand manufacturer eat some of the tariffs and charge less for product.

In reality, the manufacterer, you, and consumer all end up sharing extra costs. There is no "passing 100% of the costs to consumer"
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10352 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:27 pm to
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Just say what you want to say. This little game is absurd. Make your point and we’ll debate it.


Nothing more needs to be said. You proved my point with your own words
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:29 pm to
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In reality, the manufacterer, you, and consumer all end up sharing extra costs. There is no "passing 100% of the costs to consumer"




Except that exact argument is used when corporate tax rates are threatened…
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
22144 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:33 pm to
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If raising prices has zero effect on the demand for the product, what competent businessman would not raise their product price?


In a vacuum, and with a monopoly seller, this would be true. An example would be something like a rare life-saving drug that only one company makes. In reality, there are multiple sellers and the market still sets the price. If you apply a blanket price floor increase (a tariff, for example) to all sellers, then you get what we're seeing now: a hesitancy to raise prices in an attempt to be the last one and eat up some market share, but that's risky long term and eventually you have to pass the cost on to the consumer.

Not only that, mom and pop businesses don't have the luxury of absorbing the costs for months to stay afloat. This forces them out of the market and lets giants like Amazon and Walmart take their place. Is that a good thing for american business?
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11872 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:38 pm to
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SlowFlowPro


Are you implying this is a bad thing?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125678 posts
Posted on 8/14/25 at 12:42 pm to
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Well I dont know how your business works

You could have (and should have) stopped there.

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1) you have excess product that you brought in that isnt moving or 2) if you are more of a dropshipper...less sales,

No to both of these.
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3) you demand manufacturer eat some of the tariffs and charge less for product.


We’ve asked for specific jobs. They have declined.
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In reality, the manufacterer, you, and consumer all end up sharing extra costs. There is no "passing 100% of the costs to consumer"


Well, we have. If you know a construction estimator or owner, ask him how much he’s passing on and how much he’s eating. He will tell you he’s eating some. (Just left a subs office who is eating $40k on a job. He’s passing on $60k. Note that the American company that employs American workers is eating that. The owner (a government entity) will eat the other $60k.)

How do you think the subcontractor will quote their next job? I’ll give you a hint. They’ll price in the possibility of tariffs increasing their costs. And if it doesn’t and they win the job, they’ll give that excess money back (they will not).

Your argument is that businesses will eat the bulk of the costs. And there’s just minimal effect. That’s clearly retarded. And anyone who has a job at the point of pricing will easily recognize how retarded you are.
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